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was interviewed at 
Present for the interview was AUSA 
ttorney 
After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and 
the nature of the interview, 
provided the following information: 
When asked how 
felt about the situation as a whole, she responded 
that it has affected her life greatly. 
had a false sense of love at 
the time. 
felt that they (JEFFREY EPSTEIN and GHISLAINE MAXWELL) 
seemed to be the only people who cared about her. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL seemed 
to be 
family since she felt she did not have one. In her early 
20's, 
realized how the abuse had affected her. 
personal 
and professional relationships were affected and her anxiety and depression 
has come in waves. 
has been affected in a multitude of ways including having trust 
issues, opening up, love and values in relationships. 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL joked about 
believed them; EPSTEIN and MAXWELL showed her how life worked. EPSTEIN 
thought 
was grateful for how he helped her in life. 
stated, "When you get beaten into submission, sometimes you just 
start to believe that is how life is." • 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL doing the same thing. 
saw everyone else around 
felt that she held a sexual value to them, but she also felt that 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL liked and cared about her. Both EPSTEIN and MAXWELL 
would make her feel that she had to be grateful for what they did for her, 
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but mostly it was EPSTEIN who let 
know that she needed to be 
grateful for all that he had done for her, including the lessons for which 
he had paid for 
Over time, 
realized the relationship was not what she thought it 
was. 
"crazy" boyfriend at the time had eventually helped her 
realize that the situation was not right. This was approximately in 
DARREN INDYKE, EPSTEIN's lawyer, called 
and said that she owed 
$10,000 for the apartment in -that-was 
subletting. 
boyfriend at the time told her to ignore EPSTEIN. 
boyfriend thought that EPSTEIN was her godfather. 
When 
learned about EPSTEIN's initial arrest (in the mid-2000s) 
felt alone and horrible. It was at that time that 
learned 
there had been a ton of girls involved. 
felt guilty that she had not 
said anything. Around this time, 
had a conversation with 
about EPSTEIN. 
may have called her when it was on 
the news. 
told 
that 
felt she should have known. 
was angry. 
was unsure if 
asked her questions about 
it but 
wanted 
to do something about it. 
felt at the 
time that it would have been a pointless uphill battle. This conversation 
with her sister helped 
to understand how 
was abused - it 
gave 
a better understanding about the whole situation. 
has been affected greatly, as has her relationships and her 
relationships with her family. 
still has to work through things. 
relationship 
been affected greatly and has 
gotten worse over the years. Now that 
, her 
relationship with 
has become worse. 
thought that'll, 
When 
was a child, 
felt that 
This may have affected how 
mother viewed EPSTEIN. 
mother told her to always be 
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grateful to EPSTEIN and that EPSTEIN wanted to hang out with her for a 
reason. 
As EPSTEIN's conduct became worse, in terms of the sexual abuse on 
did not have a sense that she could tell anyone. 
, and 
was taught that "we are supposed to do 
what we were told as a woman even if they are beating you". 
felt 
that she could not say anything. 
EPSTEIN's 
reminded her recently that when 
was 13 years 
old their mother smacked her for telling her guidance counselor about her 
The first sexual encounter with EPSTEIN, 
completely froze. 
EPSTEIN went about his business afterwards like everything was normal. 
thought that she could not tell anyone; 
had to bury it. 
stated, "It was horrifying, but they normalized everything so it 
was ok." MAXWELL helped a lot with normalizing everything and made it seem 
like "this was just what people do". Right away MAXWELL took on a sister 
role to 
, saying something like, "I'm like your big sister." MAXWELL 
made it all seem normal. 
MAXWELL and 
would have conversations; MAXWELL teased 
about boys at school. MAXWELL told 
, "Once you have a guy, he is 
grandfathered in." 
stated this was "cheeky big sister wisdom". 
MAXWELL also took 
bra shopping. 
At first, 
thought that MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were a couple, then 
she thought they were married, then she thought MAXWELL was EPSTEIN's 
assistant. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN's relationship was sometimes unclear. 
Some of the "grooming process" with them happened prior to when any sex 
act happened. There was bra shopping, going to the movies, hanging by the 
pool. MAXWELL was topless by the pool; she made it normal. This was early 
on when 
knew MAXWELL - approximately a month after meeting her. The 
first time 
witnessed other girls, who were older than her, topless 
by the pool was when she was 14 years old. The movie theaters where EPSTEIN 
and MAXWELL took 
was in 
it was a 
close drive from EPSTEIN's home. They were normal movie theaters but not 
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nice movie theaters. They would go to earlier shows, around 5:00PM, and 
somewhat empty when they went. Sometimes other girls also went to the 
movies with them. EPSTEIN would not buy candy or popcorn; EPSTEIN was very 
careful with his diet and he pushed that on 
and others as well. 
knew she could not ask for candy or popcorn because EPSTEIN "fat 
shamed" people. 
could not recall how they bought tickets; EPSTEIN 
may have had the house manager buy the tickets ahead of time. 
had a 
memory of EPSTEIN handing out the tickets prior to them going into the movie 
theater. There were no couches in the movie theater. 
would not sit 
right next to EPSTEIN; EPSTEIN would be the one to decide where everyone 
would sit. 
The first sexual encounter occurred in the pool house. The next sexual 
encounter occurred in either the bedroom or the massage room. There was 
some period of time where the sexual encounters were only with EPSTEIN. 
After time, MAXWELL became involved in the sexual encounters; 
was 
not sure when exactly MAXWELL became involved. The first time MAXWELL was 
involved in the sexual encounters with EPSTEIN and 
there were two 
other girls there as well; it was all very casual. 
recalled two 
women, 
and IIII who would join in. In the first instance, MAXWELL 
guided it, but other girls knew the routine. Sometimes, it started with 
EPSTEIN wanting a massage then he would say, "You girls come with me". 
Sometimes the girls would make out with each other during these encounters. 
The average incident would be where they would go up to EPSTEIN's massage 
room. EPSTEIN would take a shower or would have just gotten out of the 
shower. EPSTEIN would be nude and get on the massage table face down. Some 
girls would be talking or laughing; it was very casual. Early on, they did 
not really talk to 
would be on "foot massaging duty" on 
EPSTEIN. 
wanted them to ignore her. MAXWELL would make out with 
other girls; she also taunted other girls. MAXWELL teased other girls, 
giggling and grabbing other girls' breasts, while directing another girl to 
get on top of EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was bossy; she would tell them all what to 
do. MAXWELL felt she had a big place in there; MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were a 
"power couple dynamic". 
stated, "You just do what you're told". 
stated, at first, everyone just took their clothes off except the 
underwear; clothes were just thrown on the ground. Other girls would 
massage EPSTEIN while MAXWELL directed the girls on what to do. Sometimes, 
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this lasted a long time; it was very tedious. At first, they would be 
talking and massaging for a long time. It was casual; they would be 
massaging for approximately 30 minutes. Then, EPSTEIN decided when he was 
over just chatting; he would turn around and decide who he wanted to grab or 
have grab him or who he wanted to have sex with him. When 
was asked 
if she saw these encounters end in sex, hand jobs, oral sex, and EPSTEIN 
masturbating, 
said yes, all these incidents occurred. 
The older 
became, the more she saw while with EPSTEIN. There was 
a progression, which generally started with EPSTEIN masturbating then 
leading to sex eventually. 
present for these incidents. 
ended in full on sex; 
This first started 
recalled 
witnessed this. 
in Palm Beach; MAXWELL was 
an incident in New York that 
This incident occurred in 
EPSTEIN's massage room. 
, a blonde girl, two other girls at the end, 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were all present. EPSTEIN grabbed the blonde girl very 
forcefully and had sex with her; the girl did not hesitate. MAXWELL was 
there and did not stop it; she acted like it was normal. EPSTEIN never used 
protection. EPSTEIN pulled the girl onto him on the massage table. 
was not sure who the girl was. 
thought nay 
have been 
present for this incident. After this incident, 
either went back to 
her room in EPSTEIN's house or was driven home; 
could not recall 
where she was staying. This scene stuck with 
so much because it was 
somewhat violent. 
was not sure if this was the first time she had 
watched him have sex with someone. 
EPSTEIN had a "thing" for blondes. 
that ended in sexual activity. It was 
years went on because the abuse became 
one else in the room other than EPSTEIN. 
MAXWELL was present for the massaging 
common but not as frequent as the 
more directed to just 
with no 
When 
was asked if there were times where it was only EPSTEIN, 
MAXWELL, and her in the room, 
was not sure. As EPSTEIN progressed 
incidents sexually with 
, it 
being solely with 
and going 
present. 
recalled that 
described 
blonde hair. 
would go back and forth between just 
back to the group setting. 
was 
husband at the time was a 
as being tall, thin, with nice legs, and 
recalled a red headed girl as well. 
recalled a 
girl 
who 
felt could back up what 
had 
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talked about regarding MAXWELL. 
described 
as being a model, 
who was older than 
and knew EPSTEIN and MAXWELL before she did. 
The first time 
saw MAXWELL nude was in Palm Beach in a massage 
scenario. When asked if MAXWELL made comments about 
body, 
was not sure if she had, but recalled that EPSTEIN had made comments. 
EPSTEIN took Polaroid photographs of 
EPSTEIN took photographs of 
her, telling her to face away. EPSTEIN talked about 
ass getting 
fat. 
was approximately 15 years old at the time. This was in Palm 
Beach. MAXWELL may have helped with this; she sided with EPSTEIN or would 
giggle. EPSTEIN hired a personal trainer for 
would work 
out at EPSTEIN's Palm Beach mansion. Both MAXWELL and EPSTEIN made 
feel that she could not eat a lot. 
thought she went to New Mexico with EPSTEIN approximately three 
times, but was not 100% sure about the total number of times. 
that MAXWELL always went with her and EPSTEIN to New Mexico, while 
also accompanied them. 
EPSTEIN going with them to 
EPSTEIN's private plane to 
They traveled there for a weekend and 
and MAXWELL had meetings and 
sure why they took her to New Mexico; 
impress her. At the time, 
EPSTEIN would brag about his properties; he wanted to be a mentor. 
did not recall if MAXWELL had talked up the ranch. 
recalled EPSTEIN's brother, 
New Mexico once. The first time 
New Mexico, it was just EPSTEIN 
was 
was somewhat 
told to go hiking. 
MARK 
- 
felt 
others 
went on 
and MAXWELL. 
ignored. EPSTEIN 
was not 
thought that EPSTEIN wanted to 
did not care nor was she impressed. 
While 
fly. • 
would let her go. The first trip EPSTEIN wanted 
her. Ordinarily, EPSTEIN asked 
to go, and 
but sometimes EPSTEIN would have female assistants 
was living in Florida, she did not need her license to 
would tell 
that she wanted to go and 
to go on, he asked 
she would ask 
call. 
The first time 
flew on his private jet was to New York. On 
first trip to New Mexico, a driver picked her up at her house and 
drove 
to EPSTEIN's Palm Beach house. Once at his house they 
traveled to the airport together from there. 
was not sure who drove 
to the airport. 
recalled that when they typically arrived at the 
airport they would drive right up to the plane. She recalled sitting in the 
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back seat of the car with EPSTEIN. On at least one occasion EPSTEIN sat in 
the front of the car and was not driving, while MAXWELL sat in the back with 
Typically, EPSTEIN would just get out of the car and everyone was 
just expected to follow him. 
was then asked about flight records and her first flight on his 
private jet. 
thought it was to New York, and several people were on 
this flight. 
was pretty sure that EPSTEIN's brother was on this 
flight, and maybe his mother. Others on the flight she did not know. 
was then asked the names of people that were on these flight 
records and if she recalled knowing them. Her answers were as follows: 
-yes 
? -no 
-yes...she was his ex-girlfriend and they stayed friends. 
her a few times and was not sure if she was part of the massages. 
was then asked if she recalled the next private jet 
thought that it was to New York. She thought that the 
have been to New Mexico. 
met 
flight. 
3rd flight may 
was asked if she remembered flying from New York to New Mexico to 
which she answered yes. There was a couple other people on the plane. The 
chef may have possibly come with two other men. 
was asked about if the time that she flew to New Mexico with just 
EPSTEIN and MAXWELL could have been from New York. 
responded "yes". 
was asked if she remembered how she got to New York first. 
stated she may have flown up from Florida to New York for the New 
Mexico trip. Although she was not totally sure of that. 
was asked about her first New Mexico trip and what activities she 
did. 
recalled there being horses around. She recalled going 
hiking. She remembered not doing too much and just sitting around mostly. 
She did not recall specific abuse that may have occurred. 
did not 
remember if EPSTEIN had a massage room in his New Mexico home but thought he 
probably had one. 
was asked if she recalled any specific abuse that occurred in New 
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Mexico and she stated she was not sure. The place was dark and she did not 
recall many details of this location. If there was abuse that occurred 
there it wouldn't have been a group thing, but she cannot recall anything 
specific. 
had her own room in New Mexico. New Mexico was the 
foggiest of memories for 
was asked if there was ever a time when EPSTEIN came into her 
room while in New Mexico and she responded "no". 
was asked if she remembered how she left New Mexico the first 
weekend she stayed there. 
said "no" but on at least one trip home 
from New Mexico she flew commercially. 
had to be driven to the 
airport. 
would have had to be home in time for school, she recalled 
travelling all day on Sunday. 
was asked about a flight that she took on a Friday in 1997 from 
New Jersey (Teterboro) to New Mexico. She was asked if she remembered 
leaving at the end of the weekend. She stated that there was a driver who 
brought her to the airport. 
recalled that EPSTEIN had a driver in New York who was originally 
from Tibet. Her first trip to New York was to just go and have fun. This 
may have been the trip that she went to see The Lion King. There were some 
other people on this flight who may have just been "catching a ride". On 
this first trip to New York MAXWELL and EPSTEIN picked out an outfit for her 
which was comprised of penny loafers, a Ralph Lauren sweater and plaid 
pants. 
was asked if she recalled a flight she took from Florida to New 
York on a Monday. She said that this did not stick out in her mind 
specifically. EPSTEIN did not typically want 
to miss school. 
was asked about a flight from New Mexico to Florida that she took 
in 2001. 
stated that this is probably the last time she saw him. 
It was shortly after this that she had "that boyfriend". At the time, she 
was living in 
She may have had time off from work to be able 
to travel. 
EPSTEIN was coming to -with 
a bunch 
of people and told 
she had to come with him on this trip. 
felt she was being treated as an adult that did not need to get involved 
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anymore. They flew to New Mexico fro 
on his jet, or perhaps a 
charter - 
was not sure. Then they flew from New Mexico to Florida. 
felt as though EPSTEIN may have been showing her off. They only 
spent about a day in New Mexico and then about two days in Florida. After 
this trip, 
flew back to 
on her own. 
was then asked if she knows the following persons: 
? -sounds familiar 
? -no 
was asked about a flight that she was on in May of 1998 from 
Florida to New York. She was asked if the following persons were on this 
flight: 
GLEN & EVA DUBIN? -maybe 
-yes, I think so. 
then stated that she liked 
They hung out and she was 
nice. 
thought she was so cool. 
was a friend of 
and they would all sometimes go out drinking together. 
introduced 
to the drink the White Russian. 
was involved in the sexual 
conduct with EPSTEIN. 
may have worked 
was not sure if she was involved in the 
sexually from both EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. 
impressive breasts that 
recalled seeing. This happened in either 
Florida or New York. MAXWELL told 
what to do but was not exactly 
sure what she was told. 
for EPSTEIN's company but 
abuse. 
took orders 
had very large, nice and 
was asked if MAXWELL would tell her what to do. 
thought 
MAXWELL may have coached or taught her what to do. 
was asked how 
specific were the instructions given to her. 
believed the 
instructions were given physically and not as much verbally. She was guided 
as to where on EPSTEIN's body she should massage. 
was asked if MAXWELL was present for the "4 options" 
(masturbation, hand job, oral sex and sex) that EPSTEIN would do with other 
women in the massage room and 
answered yes to all. 
asked if MAXWELL was present for when any of these "4 options" were 
performed on her and she responded "I can't remember". MAXWELL's role was 
was then 
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to normalize it all. MAXWELL wouldn't talk about the sex acts before or 
after. In the beginning, 
was on the foot massage duty so she could 
watch and learn how to do all the other stuff. 
was asked if MAXWELL knew that EPSTEIN was having sex with her 
and she responded yes. MAXWELL was witness to all the instances that 
happened in the room. MAXWELL was never present when EPSTEIN had sex with 
cannot remember if MAXWELL was ever present for instances 
of oral sex or hand jobs with EPSTEIN and 
recalled that MAXWELL was present for when 
was pinching 
EPSTEIN's nipples while he masturbated. At this time EPSTEIN was touching 
on her breasts and her butt, although she does not recall if EPSTEIN 
touched her vagina at this time. MAXWELL may have been present when EPSTEIN 
used a vibrator on 
vagina. 
MAXWELL may have given 
a vibrator in a box for Christmas. 
threw it out because she was living at home, was in high school and 
was embarrassed. This happened while she was either living in 
was asked if MAXWELL ever touched or kissed her to which she 
answered, "I don't think so". 
said "know your audience" on why 
MAXWELL may have kissed other girls and not 
. Certain girls didn't 
have a problem with it as much as some other girls. This may have been 
based on their sexual experiences, background and willingness. 
EPSTEIN was mildly sexual with • 
including MAXWELL. Maybe, at most, 
front of others. 
in front of other people, 
put her hand on his penis in 
MAXWELL bragged about who she dated and her conquests. MAXWELL was the 
female version of EPSTEIN. MAXWELL talked about her sexual interactions 
with other people but not about her sexual interactions with EPSTEIN. 
did not notice any sexual energy between EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. They 
seemed to be like partners in crime. 
MAXWELL in general would be direct, although 
cannot remember 
specifics. 
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was asked about the New Mexico trips she took and if she recalled 
any specific abuse that occurred there to which she answered she did not 
remember. MAXWELL would have been present for oral sex that occurred with 
other individuals. 
was not sure, but it was possible that MAXWELL 
was present for oral sex with EPSTEIN and 
MAXWELL was present for occasions in Florida and New York in which others 
performed oral sex on EPSTEIN. 
recalled a group massage instance that occurred at SHUTTERS ON 
THE BEACH in California. One of the girls was upset and did not want to 
give a massage. She cried because she had a boyfriend. MAXWELL was not 
present for this. There may have been another incident in which a girl got 
upset or was apprehensive about getting involved with the massages. [Agent 
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previous interview, there was mention of a girl who was 
upset in New York. This was clarified in this interview to reflect that the 
girl was upset in California.) 
met HARVEY WEINSTEIN at a Golden Globes party while with 
EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN introduced 
to WEINSTEIN and stated "hands off my 
girl". EPSTEIN and WEINSTEIN laughed. 
was asked about INTERLOCHEN, and how she turned 14 that summer 
that she met EPSTEIN while attending the academy. She was asked if it was 
possible that she met EPSTEIN after she turned 14 to which she responded 
yes. 
stated she based meeting him at 13 years old because it was 
the summer and she was at summer camp. 
nd she 
thought that it was before her birthday. 
was still living in 
and still 14 years old when a fair 
amount of the abuse happened to her. At some point MAXWELL and EPSTEIN came 
to 
house prior to the abuse. While still 14 
had the 
interaction with the photographer. 
was 14 when the group massage 
abuse happened involving MAXWELL. While still 14 the pace of things moved 
fairly quickly with EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN had 
touch his penis right 
after the pool house visit. It started to be expected that something would 
always happen when 
would go to visit EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was usually 
present for this in the beginning. 
EPSTEIN would usually just grab 
and say "come with me" when he 
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was going to abuse her. 
was asked if MAXWELL would ever follow her 
up with EPSTEIN when the abuse occurred. 
stated probably about 
once. There were times when MAXWELL was present and EPSTEIN took 
for abuse upstairs. There were also times where MAXWELL told 
that 
EPSTEIN "wants to see you" which then led to abuse. There were times when 
was directed to the massage room by MAXWELL when there was someone 
else already there. 
Oral sex with EPSTEIN took about a year to happen. This happened when 
they were still in Florida. 
was 18 years old while attending the 
The rape incident happened in New York. 
was not sure where she 
was living at the time. 
thought she was staying with EPSTEIN at the 
time. She was visiting him and recalled going back to her room after the 
incident. 
did have pregnancy concerns since EPSTEIN never used a 
condom. 
did not talk to anyone about this. At one time 
did 
not have her period for about six months so she bought a pregnancy test. 
EPSTEIN never used protection and 
was not on birth control. 
This type of assault (rape) continued while 
was living in III 
was not sure if MAXWELL or EPSTEIN ever 
visited her while she lived there. They visited 
one to two times at 
her house in Florida. This was about a year or two after meeting him. From 
when 
met EPSTEIN to when she moved to 
she lived in the same 
house in 
This house was in a gated community called-
It was a 3-bedroom house. 
During the summer of 
attended INTERLOCHEN 
summer camp. During the summer of IIII she attended 
The summer before her senior year 
spent 
all of it in New York. She was 17 going on 18 years old this summer. 
stayed in one of EPSTEIN's apartments during this summer. She also 
stayed in his mansion for a bit before moving into 
prior to 
her starting school. This summer it was her responsibility to find her and 
her other a place to stay. 
was not sure if EPSTEIN was going to pay 
for this apartment or not. She just looked for the cheapest place to live 
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that had two bedrooms. Eventually 
told EPSTEIN that she found an 
apartment. 
was not sure how she found this. EPSTEIN may have had 
someone help her out but she was not sure. 
was asked about MAXWELL making threats. 
stated that 
these were scolding, stern phone calls for being ungrateful. MAXWELL would 
set up appointments and make travel arrangements. MAXWELL would talk about 
when and how they would travel. MAXWELL would discuss logistics. MAXWELL 
would make travel arrangements for commercial flights that 
would 
take. 
would hear MAXWELL on the phone booking flights. 
was 
not sure exactly who MAXWELL was talking to but she did make these calls. 
MAXWELL would talk to 
about upcoming trips. 
does not recall 
word for word what these conversations were. 
was asked if she recalled when travelling from one place to 
another if sexual abuse occurred on the other end and she responded by 
stating "yes". 
stated that it always occurred on the other end. 
There were maybe one to two times that it did not occur. 
was asked if during her first trip to New York if abuse happened 
and she responded "yes but I don't specifically remember that abuse". 
was not sure how she got back home the first time. 
was 
asked if she recalled having any particular feelings on her first trip home 
from New York and she stated not that she recalled. 
was asked if 
there are any times that when leaving New York that she felt relieved to 
which she stated "every time". 
stated that generally every time she 
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traveled with them she was abused. Both 1-on-1 and in groups. MAXWELL was 
involved in the group sex that occurred in New York. 
was asked about the incident in which EPSTEIN was touching her 
breasts with MAXWELL present, and if she recalled where that happened. 
stated that it may have happened in Florida. 
was asked about when things escalated to oral sex with EPSTEIN. 
recalled that started with the 1-on-1 incidents. 
MAXWELL did not discuss the abuse afterwards, or ask how it was. 
was asked about if she was aware of a DONALD TRUMP allegation of 
sexual abuse. 
stated no. There was some 
saying that she was a 
victim of TRUMP but this was not true. 
stated that at first she was not afraid of EPSTEIN. Once she 
broke free from EPSTEIN, 
was not sure what he would do. After 
breaking free from him she did not learn of any additional victims of his. 
recalled reading some things about girls disappearing but this 
turned out to be hearsay from 
attorney. 
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