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MR. MERMELSTEIN: You didn't know if they 
2 
were trained or not trained? 
3 
THE WITNESS: Right. 
4 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
5 
Q. 
Did you know if they worked for a 
6 
particular company? 
7 
A. 
No. 
8 
Q. 
You didn't, you didn't have reason to 
9 
believe that there was any particular company that 
10 
was sending masseuses to Epstein's house? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
So, as far as you know they were all 
13 
independent? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
And you have no idea why all these 
16 
independent girls or how it was that they were 
17 
coming to give Epstein massages? 
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
Now, you mention that 
had removed 
20 
those three computers from the house. And you also 
21 
testified that you had your own computer in your 
22 
office which was in the other, in the adjacent 
23 
living quarters, correct? 
24 
A. 
Yes, correct. 
25 
Q. 
In the -- in the main house were there any 
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computers left after these three were taken? 
left. 
A. 
Yeah. I think one was left, the small one. 
Q. 
A. 
4. 
A. 
Was that the laptop? 
No, small computer. 
Why do you call it a small computer? 
I would say a 15-inch screen monitor. One was 
8 
Q. 
Where was that computer located? 
9 
A. 
It was in his office next to the kitchen. 
10 
Q. 
And do you know if that computer was 
11 
linked to the others? 
12 
A. 
I don't know. 
13 
Q. 
And was that computer there when the 
14 
police came to execute their search warrant? 
15 
A. 
Yes. 
16 
Q. 
And they took that computer? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
18 
Q. 
That was the only computer that they took 
19 
to your knowledge? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
Q. 
You mentioned Bella Klen and Richard Kahn, 
22 
correct? 
23 
A. 
Correct. 
24 
Q. 
They were both accountants in New York to 
25 
your understanding? 
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3 
4 
A. 
Yes. 
Q• 
And they are both employed by HBRK 
Associates; is that your understanding? 
A. 
Yes, yes. 
5 
Q. 
And is one supervisor of the other? Is 
6 
one higher up than the other? 
7 
A. 
I think Rich Kahn is, I would say has the 
8 
higher position. 
9 
Q. 
Have you met Mr. Kahn? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
Has he been to Palm Beach? 
12 
A. 
Yes. 
13 
Q. 
What was the occasion for him to come to 
14 
Palm Beach? 
15 
A. 
That they met with Jeffrey Epstein's office. 
16 
Q. 
Does Mr. Kahn handle business matters 
17 
outside the household to your knowledge? 
18 
A. 
I don't think so. 
19 
Q. 
You think he just handles household 
20 
matters? 
21 
A. 
No. He handle, I would say, investment. 
22 
Q. 
Which is, which is Mr. Epstein's, to your 
23 
understanding, prime business, correct? 
24 
A. 
Right. 
25 
Q. 
And that's what Mr. Kahn handles? 
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A. 
Correct. 
2 
Q. 
Would you say that Mr. Kahn is a key 
3 
employee like a right-hand man of Mr. Epstein? 
4 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
5 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
6 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
7 
Q. 
Is he still employed with Mr. Epstein? 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
You mentioned that when you were 
10 
questioned by the FBI, that was the first time that 
11 
you learned that there were surveillance cameras in 
12 
the house, correct? 
13 
A. 
Correct. 
14 
Q. 
Anything else from the questioning by the 
15 
FBI that you learned for the first time? 
16 
17 
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19 
20 
21 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
24 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
25 
Q. 
Is there anything that you told them that 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
THE WITNESS: No. 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
Q. 
That was it? That was the only thing, 
piece of information that they gave to you 
essentially during the course of that questioning? 
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they indicated to you that, gee, that's the first 
2 
time we heard that? 
3 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
4 
THE WITNESS: I don't understand. 
5 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
6 
Q. 
Is there any new information to your 
7 
knowledge that you gave to them that they didn't 
8 
previously have? 
9 
A. 
No. 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: No. 
12 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
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Q. 
No. Anything you told them they already 
14 
new, is that your understanding? 
15 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
17 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
18 
Q. 
You testified that there were a few 
19 
occasions where you picked up the massage room 
20 
upstairs. You put the massage table away, correct? 
21 
A. 
Correct. 
22 
Q. 
And on any of those occasions did you 
23 
observe a vibrator? 
24 
A. 
No. 
25 
Q. 
Did you observe any massage tools? 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
2 
THE WITNESS: I don't remember, no. 
3 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: You just --
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THE WITNESS: I don't remember. 
5 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
6 
Q. 
Okay. You don't remember? 
7 
A. 
If I saw, I saw, I saw in -- I think one of 
8 
the drawers that I recall massage lotion. They call it 
9 
a personal massage. 
10 
Q. 
And could you describe that? 
11 
A. 
It was for massage, muscle massage with rubber 
12 
head, vibrate when you press the button. You can buy 
13 
them in Brookstone's. I saw them. 
14 
Q. 
Anything -- so you opened the drawer to 
15 
put something away and you saw that? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
Q. 
Anything else you see at that time? 
18 
A. 
No. 
19 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: All right. I am going 
20 
to defer to Mr. Edwards. 
21 
REDIRECT (JANUSZ BANASIAK) 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Just so that I understand what you were 
24 
telling Mr. Mermelstein about paying the girls, you 
25 
were saying that sometimes you would pay them and 
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Mr. Epstein was out of town, right? 
2 
A. 
Right. 
3 
Q. 
And this would either be -- well, it would 
4 
be a situation where you were told that if somebody 
5 
comes over, some certain female comes over, then 
6 
just pay her, right? 
7 
A. 
Right. 
8 
Q. 
Would it be initiated by you in that, you 
9 
know, the person would come to the door, you're not 
10 
expecting them, you call 
and she says just pay 
11 
them? 
12 
A. 
No. 
13 
Q. 
You were always forewarned, hey, this 
14 
person is going to come over, pay them? 
15 
A. 
Right, right. 
16 
Q. 
Do you know whether it was they had a 
17 
scheduled appointment but Mr. Epstein wasn't in town 
18 
and he was saying just pay them anyway, or she had 
19 
performed a massage at some point in time, not been 
20 
paid and was back to receive her money, do you know 
21 
which one? 
22 
A. 
No. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. So, it could have been either 
24 
situation 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
-- to the best of your knowledge? And 
2 
when you would pay these girls or 
would pay 
3 
them or whoever would pay them, would it always be 
4 
in cash? 
5 
A. 
Yeah. I pay them all with cash. 
6 
Q. 
You didn't write checks to them? 
7 
A. 
No, just cash. 
8 
Q. 
Ever wire any money to any of them? 
9 
A. 
No. 
10 
Q. 
Western Union or anything like that? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Did you ever withdraw money from the ATM, 
13 
was that one of your responsibilities that would 
14 
later be used to pay the girls? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
Do you know who withdrew the money? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
Do you know whose responsibility it was to 
19 
go to the ATM for Mr. Epstein to have cash on hand? 
20 
A. 
Yeah, part was my responsibility. I mean, not 
21 
to withdraw from the ATM. I went to the bank so we have 
22 
cash for spending, household cash. 
23 
Q. 
All right. 
24 
A. 
So, I always kept cash, you know, for myself, 
25 
for household, for grocery. So, whatever I need the 
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money, I go to the bank to withdraw some money and I 
2 
kept it with me. 
3 
Q. 
Okay. And you just give the receipt to 
4 
somebody so they know how much you took out? 
5 
A. 
Right. 
6 
Q. 
And typically what would you take out of 
7 
the bank in terms of cash to keep on hand? 
8 
A. 
About $2,000. 
9 
Q. 
All right. So, you would go to the bank. 
10 
Is $2,000 an amount that was told to you as an 
11 
appropriate amount to take out? 
12 
A. 
I mean, it was my decision how much money I 
13 
need. But most of the time I withdraw $2,000 and 
14 
whatever I spend, I go and draw another one. 
15 
Q. 
I understand that at some point in time 
16 
you realize that that was a decision that you could 
17 
make. But let's say the first time you go to the 
18 
bank, you don't just make the decision to take out 
19 
$2,000, do you? I mean, somebody gives you some 
20 
guidance? 
21 
A. 
No. 
22 
Q. 
Okay. They give you authority, they say 
23 
go to the bank and get out some money and you decide 
24 
on your own that $2,000 is an appropriate amount? 
25 
A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
All right. What bank do you go to? 
2 
A. 
Colonial Bank on Worth Avenue. 
3 
Q. 
All right. And what account are you 
4 
withdrawing the money from or are there multiple 
5 
accounts? 
6 
A. 
One account, Jeffrey Epstein household 
7 
account. 
8 
Q. 
And what is the name on the account? 
9 
A. 
Jeffrey Epstein household account. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. That's the name of the account? 
11 
A. 
Yes. 
12 
Q. 
Is that the only account that you ever 
13 
withdrew money from? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
All right. And then when you -- is that 
16 
the cash that you would use or is that also cash 
17 
that you would distribute to, let's say, 
18 
or Jeffrey Epstein? 
19 
A. 
No. This is only for my expenditure. 
20 
Q. 
That's not then the money that was used to 
21 
pay these young females? 
22 
A. 
Yes. 
23 
Q. 
It is? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
So, would you always be the one paying 
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them? 
2 
A. 
On a few occasions, yes, but not, not, not 
3 
always. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. Oftentimes 
was paying them or 
5 
somebody else in the house? 
6 
A. 
I assume. 
7 
Q. 
And the money that 
was using to pay 
8 
them with, do you know where she got it or what 
9 
account she withdraw it from? 
10 
A. 
No. 
11 
Q. 
All right. If Jeffrey Epstein was paying 
12 
them personally, you don't know what account he 
13 
withdrew it from? 
14 
A. 
I don't know. 
15 
Q. 
I thought I overheard you, I may be wrong 
16 
but I thought when we were walking out to lunch I 
17 
overheard you say you don't need to get your card 
18 
stamped because you have a card or something? 
19 
A. 
Yes. 
20 
Q. 
What is that? 
21 
A. 
This is parking access to garage downstairs. 
22 
Q. 
Okay. Have you been to this building 
23 
before? 
24 
A. 
Yes, very often. 
25 
Q. 
Very often. And it's -- where do you 
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park? I mean I know where I parked, but I don't 
2 
know, where do you park when you get -- do you have 
3 
an assigned space or something? 
4 
A. 
No, just whatever I find a space, I park. 
5 
Q. 
What floor do you park on? 
6 
A. 
Right now on first level. 
7 
Q. 
On the first level. All right. And what 
8 
does the card give you access to? 
9 
A. 
This is a card that we get for the office. 
10 
Q. 
Just to get in and out of the garage? 
11 
A. 
Right. 
12 
Q. 
Or does it also give you access to Jeffrey 
13 
Epstein's office, that being the Florida Science 
14 
Foundation? 
15 
A. 
For the garage. 
16 
Q. 
For the garage. 
17 
A. 
There are keys for office. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. And when you come over from the 
19 
garage to the building, is that on the second floor 
20 
or first floor or how do you get in? 
21 
A. 
First floor. 
22 
Q. 
And that's always the routine that you 
23 
take? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
All right. 
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A. 
Sometimes I park in front of the building, but 
2 
if there is no space I go to the garage. 
3 
Q. 
But there is no set parking spaces 
4 
assigned to Jeffrey Epstein? 
5 
A. 
No. 
6 
Q. 
Or to you or to anybody else? 
7 
A. 
No, no. 
8 
Q. 
All right. In the police report, you 
9 
know, there are several females that talk about 
10 
being in the bedroom with Mr. Epstein and 
also 
11 
at times being in the bedroom, and Mr. Epstein 
12 
requesting that 
use strap-on penises or 
13 
vibrators or dildos or something on these young 
14 
girls while Epstein stands by and masturbates and it 
15 
goes into detail. But my question is, have you ever 
16 
seen any of these strap-on or vibrator devices in 
17 
the house? 
18 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
19 
THE WITNESS: No. 
20 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
21 
Q. 
Okay. Were you aware that there were 
22 
times where these young females we've been 
23 
discussing as people that you were led to believe 
24 
that were providing massages were up in the bedroom 
25 
with Mr. Epstein and 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
Q. 
And 
observations, 
girlfriends I 
intimate with 
Jeffrey 
A. 
Q. 
have 
mean 
Form. 
you known, just based on your 
to have girlfriends? And by 
girlfriends that she would be 
in addition to being the girlfriend of 
Epstein? 
No. 
Do you 
Luc Brunel? 
A. 
Yes. 
Q. 
How do 
A. 
He was 
times. 
Q. 
A. 
Q. 
A. 
Q• 
a Tuesday. 
know somebody 
you know him? 
by the name of Jean 
in the house like, I guess, a few 
When? 
When? 
When was the last 
A week ago. 
Today is, what, 
time you saw him there? 
February 16th, and this is 
So, when we are saying a week ago, are 
you saying it was last Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 
Friday, do you remember? 
A. 
I don't remember the date but he stay maybe 
three days, I think, in the house. 
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Q. 
So, if he arrived on Tuesday, he stayed 
2 
through Thursday or Friday and --
3 
A. 
Yes. 
4 
Q. 
Do you know what the occasion was for him 
5 
to come in town? 
6 
A. 
No. 
7 
Q. 
Where did he stay in the house last week? 
8 
A. 
One of the bedrooms upstairs. 
9 
Q. 
And was Mr. Epstein also staying in the 
10 
house? 
11 
A. 
12 
Q. 
13 
company 
14 
A. 
15 
Q. 
16 
A. 
17 
Q. 
18 
A. 
19 
point. 
20 
Q. 
And where did he -- I assume he flew in 
21 
from somewhere? 
22 
A. 
Yes. 
23 
Q. 
Picked up from the airport, safe 
24 
assumption? He didn't just drive to the airport. 
25 
(A discussion was held off the record.) 
Yes. 
All right. Did Mr. Brunel bring any 
with him? 
No. 
It was him alone? 
Yes. 
How did he get to the house? 
I think he has been picked up by Igor at this 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
So, do you know where it was that 
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Mr. Brunel flew in from? 
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A. 
No. 
5 
Q. 
Do you know where Mr. Brunel generally 
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lives? I mean is it New York, is it --
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A. 
I know that he spends some time in Florida, in 
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Miami, but exactly where he is, I don't know. 
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Q. 
But obviously he wouldn't fly here to Palm 
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Beach from Miami, right, so he had to be coming from 
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somewhere else you would assume? 
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A. 
Yes, I assume. 
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Q. 
Were you told -- similar to the way that 
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you have been describing throughout the deposition, 
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you're told who is coming in town. Were you told he 
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was going to be at the house? 
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A. 
Yeah. Usually he requires to be picked up, so 
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I know that he is coming. 
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Q. 
Okay. We'll go through some other 
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instances where you had occasion to pick him up or 
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break plans, but talking specifically about last 
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week: When were you first told that Mr. Brunel was 
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going to be coming into town? 
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A. 
I think Igor told me that he has to go and 
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pick him up. 
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Q. 
How did he --
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A. 
It was my day off, I guess, because usually I 
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am the one who pick up people. So, I guess it was my 
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days off and Igor was working, so he went to pick him 
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up. 
Q. 
Okay. It wouldn't be 
picking 
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him up? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
So, to the best of your recollection Igor 
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picked up Jean Luc Brunel sometime last week from 
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the airport and took him to the house? 
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A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
Do you know what car he took to pick him 
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up? 
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A. 
I think Cadillac Escalade. 
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Q. 
The black Escalade? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And what did Mr. Brunel and Mr. Epstein do 
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for the three day stay when Mr. Brunel was staying 
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at Mr. Epstein's house last week? 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: I don't know. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
Did you interact, communicate with 
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Mr. Brunel? 
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And what did he say as to why he was here? 
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THE WITNESS: Good morning. How are you? 
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Exchange handshake. And I saw him in the 
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kitchen and he was cooking something and that's 
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it. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
When you say he was cooking something, he 
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was personally cooking? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
All right. So, this is a house that he is 
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familiar enough with and he is a regular enough 
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guest that he makes himself at home? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Okay. And last week do you remember 
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anything in the three-day period that Mr. Brunel was 
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staying at the house that Mr. Brunel did from the 
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time he woke up to the time that he went to sleep? 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Q. 
I mean did go to the movies? Did he go to 
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the beach? Did they just hang out around the house 
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and walk? 
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A. 
Yeah. I think he walked outside to the beach. 
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He was swimming in the pool, talking on the phone just 
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what I remember. 
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Q. 
Okay. During the three-day stay last 
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week, how often were -- I mean, I assuming that he 
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came in town to see Mr. Epstein; is that true? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And so the majority of his time during 
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that three days was spent hanging around with 
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Mr. Epstein? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
All right. Did you see them talking with 
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one another? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Where were they talking with one another? 
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A. 
In the cabana, outside sitting next to the 
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pool. 
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Q. 
All right. And when you said that 
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Mr. Brunel walked to the beach, did Mr. Epstein walk 
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to the beach with him? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Mr. Brunel walked alone? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Who else was in the house last week while 
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Mr. Brunel was in the house? 
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A. 
, and 
, I think. 
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Q. 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Okay. Who else, Igor? 
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A. 
Igor. I guess that's it. 
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Q. 
Did you overhear any of the substance of 
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the conversations that Mr. Brunel was having with 
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Mr. Epstein? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
All right. What is your understanding as 
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to the relationship between Mr. Brunel and 
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Mr. Epstein? 
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A. 
I guess they are friends. 
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Q. 
Okay. In addition to being friends 
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well, let me ask this question first: Do you know 
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when they became friends? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
You don't know how long they have known 
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each other? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
You don't know who introduced them? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
They could have met since they were five 
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years old or they could have met five years ago for 
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