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A. 
A few months ago. I don't remember exactly 
2 
date. 
3 
Q. 
Who else has a copy of this book? 
4 
A. 
I don't know who has one. 
5 
Q. 
Well, you do or you did. How about 
6 
7 
A. 
I think she read it. It was kept in my, in my 
8 
file in my office so it was --
9 
Q. 
So, is it your understanding that there is 
10 
only one copy of this book? 
11 
A. 
Could be another one in the office in New 
12 
York. I don't know. 
13 
Q. 
Okay. Who was the author of that book, do 
14 
you know? 
15 
A. 
I don't know. 
16 
Q. 
I mean did Mr. Epstein write it himself? 
17 
A. 
I have no idea. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. 
19 
A. 
I don't know who made those things. 
20 
Q. 
Is this a manual that's universal for the 
21 
organization, and by that I mean, used in the New 
22 
York house the New Mexico house, Florida house? 
23 
A. 
Could be. I'm not sure. 
24 
Q. 
Is it your understanding that prior to the 
25 
execution of the search warrant that in addition to 
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the young females that would come to Mr. Epstein's 
2 
West Palm house or Palm Beach house, if Mr. Epstein 
3 
was in New York, similarly young females would come 
4 
to that house to give him a massage, and similar to 
5 
that, same thing would happen in New Mexico and 
6 
elsewhere? 
7 
A. 
I don't know. 
8 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
9 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
10 
Q. 
You just don't know. 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Not something that you ever discussed with 
13 
anybody? 
14 
A. 
No. 
15 
Q. 
All right. Going back to the message 
16 
pads; there are three locations where these massage 
17 
pads were situated within the house, right? 
18 
A. 
Right. 
19 
Q. 
The one in the kitchen was always by the 
20 
phone? 
21 
A. 
Yes, or close to the phone or on the counter 
22 
somewhere, you know. Usually what I did, I grab any 
23 
piece of paper, write down the name who calling and 
24 
write down on this message --
25 
Q. 
Okay. 
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A. 
-- book. 
2 
Q. 
So, sometimes people would call and you 
3 
would take messages on something other than the 
4 
message pad that we're familiar with? 
5 
A. 
Yeah. 
6 
Q. 
All right. But you know what I am talking 
7 
about when I am referring to this message pad, 
8 
right? 
9 
A. 
Yes, yes. 
10 
Q. 
It has a carbon copy sheet? 
11 
A. 
Right. 
12 
Q. 
And for the most part that's where most of 
13 
the messages were taken down? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
So, there is one in the kitchen somewhere 
16 
near the phone? 
17 
A. 
(Witness nods head). 
18 
Q. 
Right? 
19 
THE COURT REPORTER: You have to say yes 
20 
or --
21 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
22 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
23 
Q. 
Remember we have her here? 
24 
A. 
Yes. Now, I remember. 
25 
Q. 
I am understanding you. But there is one 
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in your office by your desk presumably also by a 
2 
telephone? 
3 
A. 
Yes. 
4 
Q. 
And there is one in the office near the 
5 
kitchen? 
6 
A. 
Right. 
7 
Q. 
Also near a telephone? 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
And you've taken those messages down when 
10 
some of these young females would call, right? 
11 
A. 
Anybody, yes. 
12 
Q. 
Yeah. But you know, I realize a lot of 
13 
people probably call Mr. Epstein. 
14 
A. 
Right. 
15 
Q. 
For the purposes of this case, I am not 
16 
all that interested in all the messages he gets. I 
17 
really want to go focus on the message he gets from 
18 
someone like 
Or III 
. 
Or 
or somebody that 
19 
you recognize as being one of these young females 
20 
reportedly coming over to give him a massage. Okay? 
21 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
22 
THE WITNESS: Okay. 
23 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
24 
Q. 
So, are you familiar with certain messages 
25 
where somebody will call and say this is III., I 
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have a girl for Mr. Epstein? 
2 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
3 
THE WITNESS: No. 
4 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
5 
Q. 
Okay. You don't remember any messages 
6 
like that? 
7 
A. 
No. 
8 
Q. 
Do you remember ever there being a 
9 
circumstance where somebody called and said I have 
10 
girls for him or I have a friend that would like to 
11 
come over and see him? 
12 
A. 
No. 
13 
Q. 
All right. If you had taken down any of 
14 
those messages, that may have been alarming to you 
15 
or told you that, hey, there is something going on 
16 
here that may not necessarily be perfectly legal? 
17 
A. 
I don't know how, you know, how to --
18 
Q. 
That's just not something you ever saw, 
19 
right? 
20 
A. 
Never saw it. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. When the police came into the house 
22 
to execute the search warrant, where were the 
23 
message pads? 
24 
A. 
In the same places as I recall because they, 
25 
they usually be around the phone. So, I assume they 
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were still on the places next to the phone in each room. 
2 
Q. 
You don't remember the message pads being 
3 
removed from the property prior to the police 
4 
arriving to execute the search warrant? 
5 
A. 
No. 
6 
Q. 
So, it's your belief that the police 
7 
obtained or confiscated the message pads at the time 
8 
they executed the search warrant? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
Do you know that to be a fact? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
You're just going based on they were 
13 
always there; we didn't know the police were coming; 
14 
the police came, and they confiscated a bunch of 
15 
stuff and if the message pads were there, they 
16 
confiscated the message pads? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
18 
Q. 
Just logical reasoning? 
19 
A. 
Right. 
20 
Q. 
Did the police ever question you about the 
21 
messages that were taken down on this message pad 
22 
from these young females that were at the house to 
23 
give Mr. Epstein a massage? 
24 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
25 
THE WITNESS: Yes. FBI showed me some 
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copies of my writing those messages, and they 
2 
ask me if they, if it was me who took those 
3 
message. 
4 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
5 
Q. 
And some of the messages you took down? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
So, some of the times these young females 
8 
would call and you would be the one to answer the 
9 
phone? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
And what do you remember these young 
12 
females saying to you as their purpose for calling? 
13 
A. 
As I recall, a couple of them that they call 
14 
that they cannot show up at a certain time and they have 
15 
to do something else. So this was the messages I 
16 
remember I wrote down on those messages. 
17 
Q. 
I don't have great photos here, but I just 
18 
want to show you this photo. Tell me if you 
19 
recognize that person. 
20 
A. 
No. 
21 
Q. 
Okay. Show you this photo and tell me if 
22 
you recognize that person. 
23 
A. 
No. 
24 
Q. 
Okay. This is an updated photograph of 
25 
Do you recognize her now that I tell you that 
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that is III.? 
2 
A. 
No. I, I recognize 
I remember the name, 
3 
but I don't recognize the face. I will not connect, no, 
4 
name with the faces. 
5 
Q. 
Okay. I mean, it's 2010 now. So this is 
6 
a photograph that was taken of a person who you 
7 
would have seen five years ago? 
8 
A. 
Right. But still, I don't, I don't recognize 
9 
her. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. Have you talked to Jeffrey Epstein 
11 
personally about the criminal investigation or any 
12 
of the things that have been told to you happened 
13 
inside the bedroom aside from the massage? 
14 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
15 
THE WITNESS: No. 
16 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
17 
Q. 
Do you ever intend to talk to him about 
18 
that? 
19 
A. 
No. 
20 
Q. 
It really, as part of your employment, 
21 
it's not really of any concern to you what he does 
22 
up in his bedroom? 
23 
A. 
Right. 
24 
Q. 
I mean, that's basically your position, 
25 
right? 
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A. 
Yes. 
2 
Q. 
I mean, if something is going on inside 
3 
the house that is illegal, that's not something 
4 
that's really your job duty to investigate, 
5 
6 
7 
8 
discover, or tell anybody about, right? 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
9 
Q. 
I mean that statement that I made is true? 
10 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
11 
THE WITNESS: That if I would know that 
12 
something is going on I would be --
13 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
14 
Q. 
Yeah. I mean if you knew that something 
15 
was going on inside the house that was illegal --
16 
A. 
Right. 
17 
Q. 
-- that's not something that really should 
18 
be of any concern to you, right? 
19 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
20 
THE WITNESS: I would be concerned I would 
21 
say. If something was going illegal, I would 
22 
be concerned. 
23 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
24 
Q. 
Well, I mean you're aware at this point in 
25 
time that he has pled guilty to several felonies 
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related to what was going on inside the bedroom? 
2 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
3 
THE WITNESS: Right. 
4 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
5 
Q. 
And that's not something that you're 
6 
obviously holding against him in any way. You still 
7 
working for him? 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
Is that something that's factored into 
10 
your employment with Jeffrey Epstein or the way you 
11 
think about him or anything else? 
12 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
13 
THE WITNESS: I mean, it's some concern 
14 
but at the same time, you know, I think it's 
15 
happened without, I would say, his intended to 
16 
do on a purpose I would say. 
17 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
18 
Q. 
What do you mean by that? I don't 
19 
understand? 
20 
A. 
That he 
for example he having the affair 
21 
with the underage girls, right? 
22 
Q. 
Okay. 
23 
A. 
So, I assume he didn't know. 
24 
Q. 
He didn't know? 
25 
A. 
The age of those girls. 
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Q. 
Okay. You're, you're thinking that or 
2 
hoping or whatever, believing that Mr. Epstein 
3 
didn't know the age of the girls that were coming 
4 
over? 
5 
A. 
Yes. 
6 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
7 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
8 
Q. 
Okay. But you're -- so would your opinion 
9 
change if -- you know, it really doesn't matter what 
10 
your opinion is. Never mind. Not that I don't care 
11 
about your opinion, it just doesn't matter a whole 
12 
lot with respect to the case. 
13 
In terms of the accumulation of these 
14 
young females who were coming to the house, you were 
15 
told that they were coming only for a massage, 
16 
right? 
17 
A. 
Right. 
18 
Q. 
And at some point in time you learned that 
19 
there was a lot more going on than a massage, but 
20 
you don't think that Mr. Epstein knew that they were 
21 
underage? 
22 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
23 
THE WITNESS: No. I learn after. I 
24 
didn't learn anything before; after. 
25 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
2 
Q. 
So, at the very least you know that when 
3 
you were being told that it was only a massage, you 
4 
were being misled to some extent, right? 
5 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
6 
THE WITNESS: I, I, I didn't know what to, 
7 
what was going on. So either misled or not 
8 
misled, you know, I --
9 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
10 
Q. 
Fair enough. Were you aware of these 
11 
photographs that were inside his closet of 
12 
apparently, I will just say young females? It was 
13 
a, I guess a collage of some sort of photographs? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
All right. Did you see them? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
Q. 
Did you know any of the girls in the 
18 
photographs? 
19 
A. 
No. 
20 
Q. 
Did you recognize any of the girls in the 
21 
photographs as being girls that you saw coming over 
22 
to his house to provide massages? 
23 
A. 
No. 
24 
Q. 
Do you ever remember seeing photographs of 
25 
the girls who were coming over to provide massages 
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anywhere? 
2 
A. 
No. 
3 
Q. 
Did you ever see pornographic images on 
4 
any of the computers? 
5 
A. 
No. 
6 
Q. 
Other than your own computer, you didn't 
7 
look at the other computers, right? 
8 
A. 
Right. 
9 
Q. 
Okay. Were you ever made aware or told by 
10 
the police or reading reports or anything else that 
11 
these young females that would come to the house 
12 
would oftentimes tell Mr. Epstein that they were 15 
13 
years old or 16 years old or in high school or 
14 
things like that? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
Okay. Since him pleading guilty and going 
17 
to jail and things of that nature, have you thought 
18 
back on what was happening back in 2005 and tried in 
19 
your own mind to figure out where he met these 
20 
girls, how he was getting them to his house, who 
21 
they were working for, things of that nature, or is 
22 
that something that you just haven't bothered 
23 
thinking about? 
24 
A. 
I don't quite understand your question. 
25 
Q. 
Well, I mean, I guess, I guess my question 
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is you know, at the time that it was happening, you 
2 
thought that it was only massages going on, so it 
3 
wasn't really alarming you no matter what? 
4 
A. 
Right. 
5 
Q. 
But at some point in time, then you were 
6 
told and understood that there were other things 
7 
going on in the bedroom that ultimately led to a 
8 
guilty plea on Mr. Epstein's behalf, right? 
9 
A. 
Right. 
10 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
11 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
12 
Q. 
So, then after that did you go back and 
13 
think, you know, think back to the times where you 
14 
saw these young girls and realize, hey, now I 
15 
understand why they were there and what they were 
16 
doing? 
17 
A. 
Yes. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. And just to take that one step 
19 
further, did you then try to figure out where did 
20 
they come from, how did he know them, how was he 
21 
getting them over to his house, things like that? 
22 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
23 
THE WITNESS: I, I would say don't concern 
24 
me what, where they came from, what they were 
25 
doing, just, you know, this is his personal, I 
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would say, life so --
2 
MR. EDWARDS: Okay. I don't have any 
3 
other questions for you right now. I 
4 
appreciate your time. 
5 
I think that Mr. Mermelstein probably will 
6 
have some questions for you. 
7 
MR. MERMELSTEIN: I do have some 
8 
questions. Why don't we take a five minute 
9 
break. 
10 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Yeah. Five minutes. 
11 
(A brief recess was held.) 
12 
CROSS (JANUSZ BANASIAK) 
13 
BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: 
14 
Q. 
Did Mr. Epstein provide you with a vehicle 
15 
for your use? 
16 
A. 
I mean, I used the vehicle he owns for my 
17 
purpose sometimes. 
18 
Q. 
How many vehicles does he own? 
19 
A. 
Right now? 
20 
Q. 
Let's go back to when you started in 2005. 
21 
A. 
Let me see. Go back. There were two 
22 
Mercedes S500, one Cadillac Escalade and one Chevrolet 
23 
Suburban. 
24 
Q. 
What was the first car? I'm sorry. 
25 
A. 
Two Mercedes. 
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Q. 
Two Mercedes? 
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A. 
Yeah, S500. 
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Q. 
Was there a car that you typically used or 
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you drove? 
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A. 
Yes. Most of the time I used the Chevrolet 
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suburban. 
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Q. 
And would you run errands for the 
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household in this suburban? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And what kind of errands would you 
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perform? 
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A. 
I was buying groceries, flowers for the house, 
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and I would say anything to pick up whatever was 
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necessary in the house. 
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Q. 
Was there a person who instructed you as 
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to what to do on these errands? 
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A. 
Yes. Either 
or Ghislaine Maxwell, they 
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give me some point, what kinds of grocery, what kind of 
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food Jeffrey Epstein preferred, what kind of flowers he 
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likes. So, I was following instruction from them for a 
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few weeks until I got it by myself. 
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Q. 
Would you say 
was a supervisor of 
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you as well as Ms. Maxwell? 
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A. 
Yes, yes. 
25 
Q. 
Was there an occasion when you rented a 
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car on behalf of Mr. Epstein? 
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A. 
Yes. 
3 
Q. 
Tell me how that came about. 
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A. 
I rent the car for one of the girl. I don't 
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remember name right now. I think for a couple of months 
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or more. 
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Q. 
And who asked you to rent the car? 
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A. 
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Q. 
And what did she tell you? 
A. 
She told me to rent a car for, for this 
person. 
Q. 
And who did she tell you this person was? 
A. 
She mention name, 
Q. 
And did she explain why you were renting a 
car for 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
Did you ask her why am I renting this car? 
A. 
No. 
Q. 
And do you remember the rental car agency 
you went to, to rent the car? 
A. 
Dollar. I'm not sure. 
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Q. 
You think it was Dollar? 
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A. 
Just one of the rental in the airport, Palm 
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Beach airport. 
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Q. 
All right. 
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A. 
Either Dollar or Rent-a-Car, or I don't 
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remember the company. 
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Q. 
So, would you take a cab to the airport or 
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did someone drive you there to pick up the car? 
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A. 
I don't remember how this was arranged. I 
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think 
dropped me at the airport. 
7 
Q. 
And you rented the car in your own name 
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A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
-- correct? And you say it was -- were 
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you instructed to rent it in your own name? 
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A. 
Yes. 
12 
Q. 
And did 
tell you to do that? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Did you have a problem with putting 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
-- the car on -- it was on your own 
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credit, correct? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
There was no company card or organization 
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card, credit card that you had, correct? 
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Mr. Epstein didn't give you a credit card? 
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A. 
Yes. He gave me a credit card. 
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Q. 
Oh he did. What kind of credit card was 
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it? 
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A. 
I think Master Card or Visa. I don't 
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remember. 
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Q. 
And was the Master Card or Visa in his 
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name? 
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A. 
My name. 
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Q. 
But he paid the bills? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And was it understood that this credit 
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card was to be used for household expenses? 
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A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
And is that how you paid for the car? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
You don't remember if it was a Master Card 
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or a Visa? 
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A. 
I think Visa. 
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Q. 
So, you went and you believe that 
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brought you to the Palm Beach airport. You rented 
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the car and then drove it back to the house? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
The house in Palm Beach, correct? 
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A. 
Correct. 
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Q. 
And di  
then come and pick 
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up the car? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And how did she get to the house on that 
25 
occasion? 
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A. 
I don't remember how she got to the house. 
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Probably somebody drove her, either a friend or somebody 
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she knew. 
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Q. 
And then did you hand her the keys to the 
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car? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
Did you tell her how long she had the car 
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for? 
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A. 
Yes. Because there was a rental agreement 
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think for 30 days or something else. 
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Q. 
Did 
come to the house to 
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give Epstein a massage? 
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A. 
Yes. 
14 
Q. 
Okay. How many occasions do you recall 
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her coming to the house to give Epstein a massage? 
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A. 
I don't remember. 
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Q. 
Many occasions? 
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A. 
I don't know. I cannot tell right now. It's, 
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it's -- I didn't count exactly how many times she was in 
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house. 
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Q. 
She was someone who would come more than 
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once, correct? 
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A. 
Correct. 
24 
Q. 
You saw her -- well, strike that. 
25 
There were girls who came for massages, I 
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