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all people that you would also 
2 
consider within the organization? 
3 
A. 
Yes. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. So, we just added three more names 
5 
to it. Who else would you consider, Ghislaine 
6 
Maxwell? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
And who else? 
9 
A. 
Who was working there? 
10 
Q. 
Bella, Richard Kahn, Leslie Groff, 
11 
Ghislaine Maxwell, 
12 
A. 
I think Harry was involved with the 
13 
accounting. 
14 
Q. 
Okay. 
15 
A. 
I don't recall his last name. 
16 
Q. 
Somebody else involved with the 
17 
accounting? 
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. Any of those people that you just 
20 
named, were any of those people that you just named 
21 
the person that you described as the gentleman that 
22 
assisted 
in removing the computers from the 
23 
house prior to the search warrant being executed? 
24 
A. 
No. You mean the one who show up to do those 
25 
computers? 
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Q. 
Right. The one who helped 
move 
2 
it. 
3 
A. 
No, it wasn't. 
4 
Q. 
Had you ever seen that individual on the 
5 
property, on Mr. Epstein's property at 358 Albrillo 
6 
Way prior to him assisting 
in removing the 
7 
computers from the home? 
8 
A. 
No. 
9 
Q. 
That was their first time seeing him? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
Had you ever seen him since that date? 
12 
A. 
No. 
13 
Q. 
And to this date you don't know who that 
14 
individual was? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
Were you told that the -- let me rephrase 
17 
that. I guess you told me that anything that 
18 
happened in the home in terms of guests coming over 
19 
or things of that nature, you would be forwarned 
20 
about it, right? 
21 
A. 
Right. 
22 
Q. 
So, when was the first time that you 
23 
learned that 
and some gentleman that you had 
24 
never met would be coming to the home to remove the 
25 
computers? 
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A. 
I got the phone call from her that there would 
2 
be -- I don't know what time it was in the house in 
3 
certain time and they would pick up those computers. 
4 
Q. 
Okay. And you got a phone call from 
5 
6 
A. 
Right. 
7 
Q. 
Why were you called by 
to tell you 
8 
that 
and would be coming over to, with some 
9 
other gentleman to remove the computers. Do you 
10 
know why you were told that? 
11 
A. 
No. 
12 
Q. 
Would 
call every time she would 
13 
come over? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
Okay. 
16 
A. 
I mean, any, any time coming to the house, 
17 
they always let me know who is coming when they are 
18 
arriving or whatever. 
19 
Q. 
Back in 2000, sorry. 
20 
A. 
I said even if Jeffrey Epstein arriving at the 
21 
house, I always know what time and which day he would be 
22 
here or another person, so I would be aware of what was 
23 
going on and I would be prepared. 
24 
Q. 
Who besides you back in 2005 lived at the 
25 
house full time; just you? 
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A. 
Just me. 
2 
Q. 
All right. And then if 
was coming 
3 
into town or 
or 
or Jeffrey Epstein, 
4 
then you would be called and told who was coming so 
5 
that you could get the house ready for whoever it 
6 
was? 
7 
A. 
Right. 
8 
Q. 
And if any other guests were visiting, 
9 
would you also be given their names as people who 
10 
would be at the house? 
11 
A. 
Yes. 
12 
Q. 
So, as house manager you were apprized of 
13 
whatever the ongoings were going to be at the house 
14 
and who was going to be there? 
15 
A. 
Right. 
16 
Q. 
Okay. In addition to the three computers 
17 
that 
and this other gentleman removed from 
18 
the home, what else did you witness or observe being 
19 
removed from the home? 
20 
A. 
Nothing. The only thing that had been removed 
21 
is when the police got with the search warrant. They 
22 
removed a lot of stuff. But when 
showed up with 
23 
the gentleman, they took only the computers. 
24 
Q. 
Okay. And if you began the work there in 
25 
February 2005 and the police report indicates the 
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search warrant was executed in October of 2005, 
2 
October 20th, 2005, when in that period of time were 
3 
the computers removed from the home by 
and 
4 
this gentleman? And by that I don't mean the exact 
5 
date unless you know the exact date. 
6 
A. 
No, I don't. 
7 
Q. 
A week before the search warrant, two 
8 
months before, a week, you know, whatever you're --
9 
A. 
I would say maybe month or two months. I 
10 
really don't recall exactly but a couple of months, 
11 
maybe one month before search warrant. 
12 
Q. 
All right. So, to the best of your 
13 
recollection it could have been sometime early in 
14 
October. It could have been September. It could 
15 
have even been, as you're remembering it, as far 
16 
back as August? 
17 
A. 
Correct. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. And after the computers were 
19 
removed from the home, were any computers -- no 
20 
computers were put in its place, right? 
21 
A. 
No. 
22 
Q. 
During -- when you first started working 
23 
there, did you know that there were surveillance 
24 
cameras inside the home? 
25 
A. 
No, I was not aware. 
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Q. 
When was the first time that you learned 
2 
that the home was equipped with internal 
3 
surveillance cameras? 
4 
A. 
When, when I was questioned by FBI. One of 
5 
6 
the questions was if I was aware that there was camera 
in the house so I was surprised. I didn't know. 
7 
Q. 
Okay. 
8 
A. 
So, this is what I learned that there was 
9 
something before that I have no idea. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. So, subsequent to being asked that 
11 
question, then did you go and determine where these 
12 
cameras were inside the home? 
13 
A. 
No. 
14 
Q. 
You never did? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
Okay? 
17 
A. 
I never knew what was going, what install, in 
18 
which place and how they operate, who use them. 
19 
Q. 
Today do you know where the hidden cameras 
20 
are inside the home? 
21 
A. 
Yes, yes. No, I mean there is no surveillance 
22 
cameras right now, I mean, to my knowledge. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. 
24 
A. 
But I learned that they were, that they were 
25 
before. Yeah, I think I read in the paper. 
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Q. 
In the paper, you mean the police report? 
2 
A. 
No, in the newspaper. 
3 
Q. 
The newspaper? 
4 
A. 
Yes. 
5 
Q. 
It indicated where the surveillance 
6 
cameras were inside the house? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
Q. 
I didn't know that. I haven't seen the 
9 
paper. 
10 
A. 
In New York, or Palm Beach Post. 
11 
Q. 
Okay. So, that's a couple of references 
12 
to the newspaper, you reading things. When was it 
13 
that you started reading up on what was going on 
14 
inside the house and the articles related to Jeffrey 
15 
Epstein? When did you first start doing that? 
16 
A. 
After, after the arrest. 
17 
Q. 
Okay. So, for the first eight or nine 
18 
months that you were working there leading up to the 
19 
search warrant, did you ever go on the Internet or 
20 
try to learn who your boss was, who you were working 
21 
for about Mr. Epstein? 
22 
A. 
Yes. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. And that was just out of curiosity 
24 
so you knew what he did? 
25 
A. 
No. I mean there was curiosity because before 
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I took the job, I didn't know about nothing about 
2 
Jeffrey Epstein. So I try too figure out, you know, who 
3 
he is, who, what he is doing. So I check Internet and I 
4 
find articles about him. I guess financial and he 
5 
invest money for other people. 
6 
Q. 
Okay. That's something that you read in 
7 
the newspaper? 
8 
A. 
Yes. 
9 
Q. 
Did you ever learn through personal 
10 
knowledge, observations, things of that nature who 
11 
any of Jeffrey Epstein's clients were? 
12 
A. 
No. 
13 
Q. 
Did you ever hear the name Leslie Wexner? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
Do you know Leslie Wexner? 
16 
A. 
I know the name but I never met him, never 
17 
talked to him just the name. 
18 
Q. 
Since February of 2005 he has never been 
19 
to the home to your knowledge? 
20 
A. 
No. 
21 
Q. 
All right. Do you know what Mr. Epstein's 
22 
relationship was to Mr. Wexner from anything you 
23 
ever heard around the house or observed? 
24 
A. 
No. 
25 
Q. 
All right. And you say today there is no 
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surveillance, to your knowledge in the home. But 
2 
sometime during or just after the search warrant was 
3 
executed and you started talking with somebody from 
4 
the FBI, they informed you that there were 
5 
surveillance cameras inside the home? 
6 
A. 
I mean they didn't inform me. They ask me if 
7 
I am aware that they are. 
8 
Q. 
Okay. Where did you ultimately learn that 
9 
the surveillance cameras were inside the home? 
10 
A. 
Like I mention, I read this article in the 
11 
paper and they mentioned there was one in the garage. 
12 
Q. 
Okay. 
13 
A. 
And one in the living room and two in the 
14 
clock. 
15 
Q. 
Okay. 
16 
A. 
So those two. 
17 
Q. 
In addition to those two, have you ever 
18 
learned of additional surveillance cameras inside 
19 
the home? 
20 
A. 
No. 
21 
Q. 
All right. Are you aware of a 
22 
surveillance camera that was set up inside the 
23 
office? 
24 
A. 
No. 
25 
Q. 
And have you in your entire time at the 
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house seen sex toys or vibrators or things of that 
2 
nature? 
3 
A. 
No. 
4 
Q. 
Have you ever spoken with 
5 
about these young females that would visit the 
6 
house? 
7 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
8 
THE WITNESS: I mean, we didn't spoke. We 
9 
just exchange sometimes when I was away from 
10 
the house doing shopping or doing stuff, she 
11 
was the one who let them in. So, sometimes 
12 
when I was, knew who was coming and what time, 
13 
I let her know that this person is coming at a 
14 
certain time so she knows what to do. 
15 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
16 
Q. 
Given that you observed these young 
17 
females and different females coming to the house, 
18 
with great frequency, at some point in time at least 
19 
in your mind you -- did you ever think, hey, this is 
20 
unusual, this is unusual behavior? 
21 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
22 
THE WITNESS: Well, you know, I didn't 
23 
question anything. It's not my job. 
24 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
25 
Q. 
It's not your job? 
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A. 
Not my job. I just do my job and at some 
2 
point when who shows up is not to me to question. 
3 
Q. 
Well, oftentimes this would be somebody 
4 
arriving in a taxicab or something, right? 
5 
A. 
Yeah, on a few occasion, right. 
6 
Q. 
Did you ever call the taxicab for them? 
7 
A. 
I think in once, one case I call taxicab to,
8 
think to pick up somebody from the house and take this 
9 
person to the place she was coming from. 
10 
Q. 
Okay. You called a taxicab to tell the 
11 
taxicab pick up this person from this address and 
12 
take them to 358 Albrillo Way? 
13 
A. 
No. To 358 Albrillo Way. I pick up, I call 
14 
taxi for, pick up from the house. I didn't call --
15 
Q. 
Oh, okay. I gotcha. 
16 
A. 
To bring somebody here. 
17 
Q. 
To leave the house? 
18 
A. 
To leave the house, right. 
19 
Q. 
Did you ever have occasion to either pick 
20 
one of these young females up from her home or drive 
21 
her home from Albrillo way? 
22 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
23 
THE WITNESS: No. 
24 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
25 
Q. 
That's not something you were ever asked 
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to do? 
2 
A. 
No. 
3 
Q. 
And have you ever read or learned of --
4 
strike that. Have you ever read the police incident 
5 
report where it is the detective on the criminal 
6 
case taking statements from several of these young 
7 
females about what actually went on in the bedroom? 
8 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
9 
THE WITNESS: No. 
10 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
11 
Q. 
After the search warrant was executed you 
12 
did indicate that you were interested and read 
13 
newspapers articles, right? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
So, you're aware of the allegations that 
16 
have been made as to what was going on inside the 
17 
bedroom? 
18 
A. 
Yes. 
19 
Q. 
All right. And you're also aware that 
20 
obviously at some point in time Jeffrey Epstein pled 
21 
guilty to two felonies that led to him going to jail 
22 
and he was on house arrest for a certain period of 
23 
time? 
24 
A. 
Yes. 
25 
Q. 
And do you remember ever meeting any of 
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the girls that were the victims in the cases where 
2 
Mr. Epstein pled guilty to? 
3 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
4 
THE WITNESS: No. 
5 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
6 
Q. 
All right. Do you remember a girl named 
7 
S.G.? 
8 
A. 
No. 
9 
Q. 
Do you remember a girl named M.? 
10 
A. 
No. 
11 
Q. 
Do you remember a girl and I don't have 
12 
her last name right now, I mean her first name right 
13 
now. First initial is. 
I don't remember her 
14 
first name but her last name is 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
Did you ever clean up in the massage room 
17 
after these alleged massages took place? 
18 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
19 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. I mean, I not --
20 
clean up on a few occasion. I pick up towels 
21 
and I fold the massage table up and put back in 
22 
the closet. 
23 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
24 
Q. 
Okay. During the investigation, the 
25 
criminal investigation, how many times, well, strike 
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that. When was the first time that you spoke with a 
2 
police officer related to the case? 
3 
A. 
First time when they show up in the house. 
4 
Q. 
Did they interview you that day? 
5 
A. 
They supposed to interview me but I guess they 
6 
didn't have a time or didn't have a chance. But next 
7 
day one of them show up at the house and ask me if he 
8 
can ask me a few question. 
9 
Q. 
And do you remember the name of that 
10 
detective? 
11 
A. 
12 
Q. 
13 
A. 
, something like that. 
14 
Q. 
And you talked to him that day? 
15 
A. 
No. 
16 
Q. 
You did not? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
Q. 
What did you tell him? 
19 
A. 
That I don't want to answer any question I 
20 
would say without, without a lawyer. 
21 
Q. 
And why is that? 
22 
A. 
I don't know. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. But I mean what we have talked 
24 
about today it sounds like you didn't really know 
25 
anything, right? 
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A. 
Yeah. But at that point, you know, I was a 
2 
little bit, you know, afraid to what was going on. And 
3 
I wouldn't answer any question without a lawyer. 
4 
Besides they took my computer and some personal 
5 
belonging from, from my room. 
6 
Q. 
Okay. In addition to your computer what 
7 
other personal belongings did they take? 
8 
A. 
They took some CD and some storage file from 
9 
my computer. They, you know, ransacked my, my room 
10 
completely, open all the boxes and turned the room 
11 
upside down. So, I wasn't, you know, sure what to do. 
12 
So I told him I don't want to talk to you without 
13 
present of my lawyer. 
14 
Q. 
And is that something that you were 
15 
instructed to tell the police if they came back to 
16 
talk to you, that you would like to have a lawyer 
17 
present? 
18 
A. 
No. 
19 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
20 
THE WITNESS: No, just my decision. 
21 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
22 
Q. 
All right. And did you go and hire a 
23 
lawyer? 
24 
A. 
I mention -- I mean Mr. Epstein lawyer, they 
25 
question me what happened during --
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Don't, don't, whoa, whoa, 
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whoa. Don't answer. 
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MR. EDWARDS: I don't want to know 
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anything that you said to your lawyer or your 
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lawyer said to you, none of that. I only want 
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to know any dialogue that you had with, right 
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now we're talking about the first or second or 
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Q. 
That's a privilege communication I am not 
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interested in. I may be interested in it but I am 
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not entitled to it. 
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So, you talked to a police officer and 
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your lawyer may have been present when you did that. 
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Who was your lawyer when you did that? 
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A. 
Mike Salmick. 
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Q. 
Mike Salmick? 
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A. 
(Nods head.) 
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Q. 
Okay. And is that somebody who was hired 
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for you by Jeffrey Epstein? 
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A. 
Yes. 
third police officer that you talked to about 
the case. Do you understand that? I don't 
want you to tell me what you said to your 
lawyer. 
THE WITNESS: Right, right. 
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Q. 
It was somebody that was paid by Jeffrey 
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Epstein? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
When did the conversation come up between 
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you and Jeffrey Epstein that he would retain a 
lawyer for you? 
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A. 
His lawyer mention to me that since he cannot 
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represent me, he can find somebody for me to represent 
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me. 
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Q. 
And his lawyer back then was Guy Fronstin? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And the lawyer they found was Michael 
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Salmick and at some point in time you, with your 
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lawyer, speak to the police? 
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A. 
Actually I got subpoena from FBI. 
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Q. 
Okay. 
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And they question me. 
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Q. 
And where did they question you? 
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A. 
There is FBI office on 
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Q. 
Sure. 
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A. 
Right here. 
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Q. 
Sure. And was it just you and the FBI in 
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an office? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And what did you tell the FBI relating 
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let me backup. I am assuming that they were asking 
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you questions about the young females that were 
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coming to the house? 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: Yes. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
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Okay. I mean that's the only subject 
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matter that they were interested in related to 
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possible illegal activities in the house, right? 
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A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
So, what did you tell them relative to 
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your knowledge regarding these young females that 
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were coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house when he was 
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in town? 
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A. 
Same thing like you are, similar question you 
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were asking me. 
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Q. 
You told them you saw them coming and you 
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believed that they were there to give a massage? 
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They were coming, they were leaving the house 
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after finishing. 
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Q. 
After they finished the massage? 
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A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
And did they ask you, you know, did you 
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really believe that they were giving a massage to 
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him or did you believe other things were going on? 
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I mean, were those kind of questions asked? 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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THE WITNESS: I mean, I don't even 
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remember, you know, what was what, how they, 
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you know, questioned me, but similar questions 
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that you are asking me right now. 
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Q. 
All right. And similar to what you are 
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telling me today, you don't really know what was 
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happening up in the bedroom, right? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
And it's really your job to find out? 
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A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
You work for Mr. Epstein and that's your 
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boss, and he pays you and that's all you know? 
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A. 
Yes. 
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Q. 
All right. After that conversation with 
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the FBI, were you later subpoenaed to testify before 
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the grand jury? 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
Did you ever talk to an assistant U.S. 
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Attorney named 
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A. 
No. 
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Q. 
So, the only communication that you ever 
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had with law enforcement was this meeting that you 
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had with the FBI? 
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A. 
Right. It was like three of them or four of 
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them. 
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Q. 
And did --
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A. 
I forget the name. 
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Q. 
And they taped that statement, right, the 
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conversation, didn't they? 
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A. 
Tape? 
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Q. 
Didn't they tape the statement? 
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A. 
You mean videotape? 
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Q. 
No. I think it was a recorder. 
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A. 
Yeah. I think somebody was taking notes like 
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right now. I don't remember --
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Q. 
You think that? 
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A. 
They were taping. 
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Q. 
Okay. At some point in time I believe 
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that I've read somewhere that there was taped 
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interview or statement of you. I could be wrong. I 
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have read too much of this case, but, to your --
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A. 
I guess they have some kind of record, I 
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assume but I don't remember. 
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Q. 
Okay. 
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A. 
It was either taping or it was, you know, 
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like, write down. 
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Q. 
All right. So, prior to the search 
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