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A. 
I think before, before house arrest, yes. I 
2 
mean house arrest, jail sentence. 
3 
Q. 
Before the jail sentence? 
4 
A. 
Right. 
5 
Q. 
So, I can tell you the jail sentence at 
6 
least the plea was June 30th, 2008. So, you believe 
7 
it was sometime prior to that date when you learned 
8 
that 
was the girlfriend of Jeffrey 
9 
Epstein? 
10 
A. 
Correct. 
11 
Q. 
Okay. And when I asked you what gave you 
12 
that belief, you started to tell me that the 
13 
conversation was actually Jeffrey Epstein telling 
14 
you that 
would be more in charge of 
15 
what happened around the house, the scheduling, and 
16 
things like that, right? 
17 
A. 
Correct. 
18 
Q. 
But that's similar to how Ghislaine 
19 
Maxwell's role was described before, right? And 
20 
that's not somebody that you considered a 
21 
girlfriend. So how do you distinguish 
and 
22 
Ghislaine's role? 
23 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
24 
THE WITNESS: I noticed that they, they 
25 
spent some times together, more time together 
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and they travel together very often. 
2 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
3 
Q. 
you're talking about? 
4 
A. 
Right. And 
, and she was visiting very 
5 
often so I assume, you know, that there is some kind of 
6 
relationship between them. 
7 
Q. 
Okay. And when you say they are spending 
8 
time together, do you mean they are spending time 
9 
upstairs in the bedroom together, things like that 
10 
that would give you an idea? 
11 
A. 
No. I mean traveling together. They always 
12 
shop together when he was here. And when they go to 
13 
other places, she was with him too. 
14 
Q. 
Okay. Was 
already 
15 
somebody that had a relationship with Jeffrey 
16 
Epstein in February of 2005 when you first started 
17 
working? 
18 
A. 
No. I don't think so. I don't remember her 
19 
when I do the job. I don't remember her. 
20 
Q. 
So, you think -- I am sorry? 
21 
A. 
I don't remember the, 2005 when I started job, 
22 
I don't remember her being around at least a few months. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. 
24 
A. 
So, I recognize her and I met her probably 
25 
after a few months working for him. 
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Q. 
So, you think that the first time that you 
2 
saw 
, if you started working in 
3 
February of 2005, may have been April or May 2005? 
4 
A. 
Could be. 
5 
6 
Q. 
I am not going to hold to you to an exact 
date, but just so I can put it in a timeline. 
7 
A. 
Could be. i don't remember exactly the one, 
8 
but at least a few months. 
9 
Q. 
And when you were introduced to her, do 
10 
you remember where it was? 
11 
A. 
Probably -- I don't know. Here I guess she 
12 
was. 
13 
Q. 
At the house? 
14 
A. 
At the house I guess. I don't remember. I 
15 
can't recall. 
16 
Q. 
And do you know how Jeffrey Epstein met 
17 
18 
A. 
No, I don't. 
19 
Q. 
The time when you met 
did 
20 
it appear to you that Jeffrey Epstein was meeting 
21 
her at the same time or he already knew her? 
22 
A. 
I assume he knew her. She was here in the 
23 
house in Palm Beach. I assumed he knew her. 
24 
Q. 
Okay. It didn't seem like a brand new 
25 
guest? 
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A. 
No. 
2 
Q. 
Okay. But at that point in time -- well, 
3 
let me ask you; I don't want to put words in your 
4 
mouth. The time in April or May or around that area 
5 
in 2005 when you think is the first time that you 
6 
saw 
at the Palm Beach house, what 
7 
was your understanding of her role in Jeffrey 
8 
Epstein's life at that time? 
9 
A. 
I suppose one of his friends. 
10 
Q. 
Just a friend? 
11 
A. 
Right. 
12 
Q. 
Have you since 2005 through the present 
13 
seen any interaction between 
and Mr. Epstein 
14 
that would give you further reason to believe they 
15 
are boyfriend and girlfriend or a couple? 
16 
A. 
Yeah. I saw him walking with her, you know, 
17 
holding her hand. I mean her hands, so I assume that 
18 
there is more than friendship between them. 
19 
Q. 
Okay. And when you came in 2005, did you 
20 
live at the house in Palm Beach? 
21 
A. 
Yes. There is a small house attached to the 
22 
main house. They call it staff house where I live. 
23 
Q. 
Okay. And is that the place where you 
24 
have resided since you began working in February 
25 
2005 through the present? 
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A. 
Yes. 
2 
Q. 
And that's a staff house that's on the 
3 
property, same property? 
4 
A. 
Right. 
5 
Q. 
Okay. All right. In your time living at 
6 
the staff house -- well, we'll get there. 
7 
Do you understand -- you understand why 
8 
you're here today and having your deposition taken, 
9 
correct? I mean, you know what this case is about? 
10 
A. 
Yes. 
11 
Q. 
And it revolves around young females going 
12 
over to Jeffrey Epstein's house on a regular or 
13 
frequent basis, correct? 
14 
A. 
Correct. 
15 
Q. 
And that's something that you observed? 
16 
A. 
Yes. 
17 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
18 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
19 
Q. 
And when is the first time, you know, if 
20 
you got here in February 2005 when is the first time 
21 
that you noticed young females arriving to Jeffrey 
22 
Epstein's 
23 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Object to form. 
24 
MR. EDWARDS: 
house. 
25 
MR. GOLDBERGER: You can go ahead and 
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5 
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answer. 
MR. EDWARDS: There are times during the 
deposition that your attorney is going to 
object to the form of the question. And that's 
a legal objection and so that he is making his 
record and maybe this attorney will do the 
7 
same. 
8 
MR. GOLDBERGER: I will tell you if you 
9 
can't answer the question. Otherwise answer 
10 
the question. 
11 
THE WITNESS: Can you repeat the question? 
12 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
13 
Q. 
Sure. No problem. If you got here in 
14 
February of 2005 to begin work --
15 
A. 
Right. 
16 
Q. 
-- when is the first time that you 
17 
remember observing young females coming to the 
18 
house? Was it the first day, is it the second day, 
19 
is it a month, is it --
20 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
21 
THE WITNESS: It's -- I don't remember, 
22 
you know, exactly what was the first, second or 
23 
third day during my, you know, working hours. 
24 
Like, I cannot tell you exactly which day was 
25 
it, but, yes, I notice that those young women 
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were coming for massage. And most of the time 
2 
I opened the door for them and let them in. 
3 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
4 
Q. 
All right. Well, the civil aspect of 
5 
these cases has been going on for almost a year and 
6 
a half, almost two years. And prior to that you're 
7 
aware that there was a criminal investigation into 
8 
the same activity, right? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
And through this discovery process, 
11 
information and belief leads us to an understanding 
12 
that these young females were coming to the house in 
13 
Palm Beach every day that Jeffrey Epstein was 
14 
staying at the house; is that fair to say? 
15 
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16 
THE WITNESS: I wouldn't say every day. 
17 
They come very often but not every day. Maybe 
18 
like if he was staying four days, probably like 
19 
two, maybe three days. 
20 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
21 
Q. 
Okay. So, sometimes you remember there 
22 
being days where these young females I am describing 
23 
did not come to the house or at least you didn't see 
24 
them? 
25 
A. 
Right. 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
2 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
3 
Q. 
And for the most part you were told --
4 
strike that. Your testimony is that you were told 
5 
these were young females that were coming over for 
6 
the purposes of giving massages? 
7 
A. 
Yes. 
8 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
9 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
10 
Q. 
Who told you that? 
11 
A. 
Who told me that? 
Jeffrey Epstein's 
12 
assistant. 
13 
Q. 
Okay. Were you told prior to you coming 
14 
down here in February 2005 that there would be these 
15 
young females coming over to the house very 
16 
frequently to give massages? 
17 
A. 
No. 
18 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
19 
THE WITNESS: No. 
20 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
21 
Q. 
Okay. So, when you first started working, 
22 
you were not forewarned that these females would be 
23 
coming to the house? 
24 
A. 
No. 
25 
Q. 
All right. When was it -- did 
tell 
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you -- tell me exactly what it was that 
told 
2 
you so that I can use your own words to formulate 
3 
questions. What was it that 
told you about 
4 
these girls coming over for massages? 
5 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
6 
THE WITNESS: Either she told me or she 
7 
called me and let me know that, for example, 
8 
certain time this woman, she mentioned name, 
9 
will come over, so I should let her in. That 
10 
was the procedure I followed. 
11 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
12 
Q. 
Okay. So, just so that I understand what 
13 
you are saying, are you saying that the conversation 
14 
or the words that were spoken to you would be, did 
15 
she call you Janusz? 
16 
A. 
Janusz, right. 
17 
Q. 
Janusz, 
is coming over today at 
18 
9:00. Let her in. She's coming for a massage? 
19 
A. 
Correct. 
20 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
21 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
22 
Q. 
Okay. Please, if that's -- if she said 
23 
something different to you such as, hey, there is a 
24 
massage therapist coming over, then tell me. I am 
25 
just trying to get it accurate. 
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A. 
Yeah. You were accurate in the first. 
2 
Q. 
So, then she may say, at 4:00 III. is 
3 
coming over to the house to give a massage; let her 
4 
in? 
5 
6 
A. 
Correct. 
Q • 
Okay. How soon after your first day on 
7 
the job did you get this call from 
telling you 
8 
that some female's name would be coming over for the 
9 
purpose of providing a massage? 
10 
A. 
Maybe on the third or fourth day of my work. 
11 
I don't remember exactly how much. 
12 
Q. 
That was some day when Jeffrey had flown 
13 
into town and he was there? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
Do you think that you were told by 
16 
that one of these young females would be 
17 
arriving to the house to provide a massage prior to 
18 
the first time you observed one of these young 
19 
females coming to the house to provide a massage? 
20 
Do you understand the question? 
21 
A. 
No, not really. 
22 
Q. 
Okay. What I'm asking is were you at the 
23 
house one day and a girl knocks on the door, hey, 
24 
I'm here to give you a massage and you go I don't 
25 
even know why, I don't know who you are; or did 
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call you and say, hi, III. is coming over to 
2 
provide a massage at X-time and then III. showed up? 
3 
Do you see what I am saying? Which came first, the 
4 
girl or the comment? 
5 
6 
A. 
No. First was either a phone call or 
conversation with 
7 
Q. 
So, there was never any surprise by 
8 
anybody? 
9 
A. 
No, no. 
10 
Q. 
And did you ask any questions whatsoever 
11 
when 
said, hey, let her in, this person is 
12 
coming over for a massage? 
13 
A. 
No, no question. 
14 
Q. 
Do you remember the names of any of these 
15 
young females that came over to provide massages? 
16 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
17 
THE WITNESS: You just mentioned a few of 
18 
them. 
19 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
20 
Q. 
I just picked them out of a hat. 
21 
A. 
, and other, I don't know. I 
22 
don't remember. 
23 
Q. 
III. sound familiar? 
24 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
25 
THE WITNESS: No. It's hard to remember 
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right now but I don't recall right now her 
2 
name. 
3 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
4 
Q. 
I don't expect you to remember all of the 
5 
names. To me that's not important for today's 
6 
purposes. Is it fair to say that oftentimes there 
7 
would be a massage in the morning by one of these 
8 
females and a massage in the afternoon the same day? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
11 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
12 
Q. 
In fact, you know, you're not the first 
13 
witness who has testified as to what goes on in the 
14 
house. So is it, is my understanding correct that 
15 
there was a specific appointment set and a time set 
16 
for these girls to come over and that 
17 
would keep that appointment book? 
18 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
19 
THE WITNESS: I don't know if she kept 
20 
appointment, but most, I mean, almost -- yeah, 
21 
all the time I, I knew who is coming so --
22 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
23 
Q. 
And you said you knew the time? 
24 
A. 
Yes. Maybe it was like 50 minutes delay or 
25 
they show up late, but I knew because I have to let them 
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in. So, it has to be, you know, some kind of 
2 
announcement that they are here. 
3 
Q. 
Was it always 
telling you the name 
4 
of the person and the time that that person would be 
5 
coming over for a massage? 
6 
A. 
Yes, most of the time 
7 
Q. 
Okay. 
8 
A. 
I think there was another name, 
9 
Q. 
10 
A. 
She also contact me when she has been hired. 
11 
Q. 
When you say contacted you, that implies 
12 
that you're not in the same house when she's telling 
13 
you what time this person is coming over? 
14 
A. 
Yeah. I mean, if I have nothing to do in the 
15 
main house, I have an office in the staff house where I 
16 
sit over there and I do some paperwork. So, either they 
17 
call me on the phone or come in and tell me 
18 
face-to-face. 
19 
Q. 
So, when 
and would call, when 
20 
you're telling me that 
or 
would call 
21 
you and tell you who was coming over and what time 
22 
that person was set to come over, you're, you're 
23 
saying that that call would be made from the main 
24 
house to the staff house or it would either be made 
25 
in person depending on whatever it was? 
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A. 
Correct. 
2 
Q. 
But everybody is at the property at Palm 
3 
Beach. That's what we're talking about? 
4 
A. 
Yes. 
5 
Q. 
And the first time that you noticed one of 
6 
these young females coming over to provide what 
7 
told you was a massage, do you remember 
8 
who it was the first person you saw? 
9 
A. 
No, I don't remember. 
10 
Q. 
All right. Did you get to know any of 
11 
these --
12 
A. 
No. 
13 
Q. 
-- females? Did you have much personal 
14 
interaction with them? 
15 
A. 
No. Just good morning, hello and 
16 
Q. 
Fair to say that no matter who it was, 
17 
whether it was III. or 
or any of the other 
18 
ones, their routine from the time that they come to 
19 
the door and knock on the door until the time that 
20 
they leave was relatively the same? 
21 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
22 
THE WITNESS: Yes. 
23 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
24 
Q. 
Okay. And so if generically you can just 
25 
remember the typical scenario of let's say III., for 
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instance, somebody that you remember coming to the 
door, can you tell me in your own words what you 
observed from the time she arrived at the house 
until the time that she left. 
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7 
clear, let's -- you've already been told by 
8 
, III. is coming this time and then 
9 
she arrives at the door. So tell me what 
10 
happens from there. 
11 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
12 
THE WITNESS: Yeah. I hear the doorbell. 
13 
I went out. She introduce herself. I let her 
14 
into the kitchen. I offer her something to 
15 
drink and she sit in the kitchen and I left to 
16 
do some other stuff. And let her, let 
17 
know that she's there. 
18 
BY MR. EDWARDS: 
19 
Q. 
Okay. 
20 
A. 
And sometimes I don't even, you know, notice 
21 
when they are leaving because, you know, the girls open 
22 
the door and just left. 
23 
Q. 
So, you were usually the person to greet 
24 
them but not always the person to walk them out? 
25 
A. 
Right. 
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Q. 
All right. So, your role was to greet 
2 
them at the door, offer them something to eat or 
3 
drink, and then turn them over to 
for lack of 
4 
a better --
5 
A. 
Right. 
6 
Q. 
And then, you know, at some point in time, 
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you had a chance to observe what 
did with one 
8 
or more of these girls in terms of where she took 
9 
them for the message and things like that, right? 
10 
A. 
Right. 
11 
Q. 
So, tell me what would 
then do? 
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Let's use III. for instance. She comes in. You 
13 
offer her something to eat or drink. And then you 
14 
say, all right 
, III. is here. What happens 
15 
after that? 
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A. 
She took her to, to the bedroom upstairs and 
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that's it. 
18 
Q. 
Okay. And did you know at the time that 
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Jeffrey Epstein was in the bedroom upstairs? 
20 
A. 
I didn't know. I assumed but I never know so 
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it's --
22 
Q. 
You just knew that he wasn't somewhere 
23 
downstairs with you? 
24 
A. 
Exactly. 
25 
Q. 
All right. And the massage was 
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supposedly, the massage table was upstairs? 
2 
A. 
Right. 
3 
Q. 
Did you know the massage table was 
4 
upstairs? 
5 
A. 
I didn't see that at the time of them, but 
6 
going a couple of times I folded massage table and put 
7 
in there in the closet. 
8 
Q. 
You have been up to Mr. Epstein's bedroom? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
I've been in the house recently but I 
11 
don't know if the house looks today like it looked 
12 
back in 2005. In fact, I'm led to believe that it's 
13 
changed somewhat? 
14 
A. 
Yes. 
15 
Q. 
Before we continue on with the typical 
16 
massage experience with the young females and 
17 
Mr. Epstein, I want you to tell me since 2005, since 
18 
you began working there, how, what changes have been 
19 
made to the interior of the house? 
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MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
21 
THE WITNESS: There is a new addition to 
22 
the kitchen. It's like a breakfast table. The 
23 
living room is different. It's bigger. They 
24 
knocked down a few walls over there. 
25 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
2 
Q. 
Where did they knock down walls? 
3 
A. 
In the living room. 
4 
Q. 
In the living room? 
5 
A. 
Yes. And the bedroom has been changed. 
6 
Q. 
Whose bedroom? 
7 
A. 
Master bedroom. Mr. Epstein's room. 
8 
Q. 
Mr. Epstein's bedroom was changed? 
9 
A. 
Yes. 
10 
Q. 
In what way? 
11 
A. 
The ceiling was different. 
12 
Q. 
How? 
13 
A. 
They somehow -- the different shape. There 
14 
was a flat one and they somehow, the designer figured 
15 
out how to make different ceiling. You know, it's not a 
16 
flat. It's sort of like I would say a rectangle. 
17 
Q. 
Okay. 
18 
A. 
And the room leading to the master bedroom is 
19 
also ceiling reconstruct. 
20 
Q. 
Okay. That's the little --
21 
A. 
It's not a flat. It's like a -- the one room 
22 
leading to the master bedroom. 
23 
Q. 
Right now it has starfish in it, that one? 
24 
A. 
Right, right. 
25 
Q. 
It's like a little hallway type room? 
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A. 
Yes, yes. 
2 
Q. 
How, how is that room changed? 
3 
A. 
Before the ceiling was flat. Now it's sort of 
4 
like a, like a --
5 
Q. 
So, the change was to the ceiling? 
6 
A. 
Yes. 
7 
Q. 
Okay. What other changes? 
8 
A. 
Swimming pool is bigger. The cabana has been 
9 
extended. There has been built a wall on the south side 
10 
of the property. 
11 
Q. 
A wall on the south side of the property? 
12 
A. 
Right. 
13 
Q. 
When was that done? 
14 
A. 
During the reconstruction of the house at the 
15 
same time, and I guess that's it. 
16 
Q. 
Okay. When you walk in through -- when 
17 
these young females would come for the purposes of 
18 
giving massages, would they -- typically they would 
19 
go to the back door near the kitchen, right? 
20 
A. 
Yes. 
21 
MR. GOLDBERGER: Form. 
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BY MR. EDWARDS: 
23 
Q. 
And then when you walk in the kitchen as I 
24 
remember, you walk in the door and then you take a 
25 
left and you're in the kitchen, right? You walk in 
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that back door and then you take a left and you're 
2 
in the kitchen? 
3 
A. 
Right. 
4 
Q. 
And then there on your right-hand side as 
5 
you walk in the kitchen, there are several what 
6 
appear to be closets but one of them is a stairwell, 
7 
right? 
8 
A. 
Correct. 
9 
Q. 
Back in 2005 was there -- did that 
10 
stairwell still have a door you opened and you go up 
11 
the stairs? 
12 
A. 
Yes. 
13 
Q. 
That hasn't changed? 
14 
A. 
No. 
15 
Q. 
And at the top of the stairs it seemed to 
16 
me I guess that it curves a little bit to the left 
17 
as you walk up the stairs. 
18 
A. 
Right. 
19 
Q. 
And then at the top there is another door. 
20 
You open it and you step out onto the second floor? 
21 
A. 
Yes. 
22 
Q. 
And then if you make a right, you walk 
23 
past the other circular stairwell and you walk into 
24 
that hallway that now has the starfish in it? 
25 
A. 
Correct. 
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