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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-47(743728-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-471743728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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08e1e8e8-101b-471743728-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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98e1e8e8-101b-471743720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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98e1e8e8-101b-471743728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-6720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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98e1e8e8-101b-47(7-0728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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98e1e8e8-101b-471743720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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90e1e8e8-101b-4717-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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98e1e8e8-101b-4717-0728-ef54d28436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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08e1e8e8-101b-47f7-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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Okay. Back to 
. You moved into 
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How long was it after you moved to this 
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trailer on 
before you met this fellow? 
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A. 
Before I met him personally? 
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Q. 
Yeah. 
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A. 
Probably -- because I worked 
I used to 
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clean houses a lot in 
for the elders. 
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don't know. Maybe two, three months. 
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Q. 
And you came to know him because your -- did 
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your daughter introduce you to him or --
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A. 
Yeah, he came over with some of his friends 
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and, yeah, my daughter introduced me to him. Seemed 
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like a nice, respectable boy at the time. 
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Q. 
And how old was he in relation to your 
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daughter? 
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Honestly, I don't know. I don't -- at that 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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08e1e8e8-101b-47(7-0720-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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time I don't know. 
Q. 
And, so, you thought he was a fine guy? 
A. 
Yeah. He dressed very nice. His family lived 
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diagonally across. Nice aunt. Nice 
he came from a 
nice house. 
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So you had no problem with your daughter 
hanging out with him? 
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No, I didn't, you know. 
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Did there ever come a time that you learned 
anything else about Mr. 
? 
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Yeah. 
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Q. 
When was that? 
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Probably a little bit after that. 
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Meaning, a little bit after the couple months 
after --
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Yeah. After I met him. 
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Q. 
So give me an approximation. When you say, "a 
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little bit after," are we talking about a month later? 
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Maybe a month, two months. 
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Q. 
So this would be about three months --
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A. 
Three months maybe. 
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Q. 
-- after you moved over to 
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A. 
Uh-huh. 
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Q. 
Okay. Well, what did you learn? 
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A. 
Well, 
was hanging out with these 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
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people and --
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and a boy. 
Q. 
And who do you mean by, "these people?" 
and his friends. There was another girl 
What are their names? 
A. 
I don't remember. I remember the girl working 
I want to say I know it, but I know she 
attended 
School with 
because 
wa 
attending 
School. I don't remember her name. 
Q. 
What do you mean by ' 
School?" 
Q• 
Well, what is it you learned about him at that 
time? 
A. 
I just told 
, like, kind of beware, you 
know. It seemed to me like he was a player-type guy. 
Q. 
What do you mean by "player?" 
A. 
You know, he dressed nice, appeared nice, 
but -- how would I describe a player? Like, he kind of 
knows, like, he knew everything and he was, like, you 
know, he was the thing. 
Q• 
Well, what gave you concern about that? 
A. 
What gave me the concern about that? Because 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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a couple of times 
didn't get home on time and I, 
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you know, I questioned where she was, what she was 
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doing. 
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And then it wasn't long after that 
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told me that 
and this other girl that they were 
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hanging out with helped her get a job. And that was 
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down in -- down in Palm Beach over a bridge. 
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MR. LUTTIER: Okay. I'll take a break now. 
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Go to the restroom. 
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VIDEOGRAPHER: Going off the record at 10:33 
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a.m. 
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(Brief recess.) 
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VIDEOGRAPHER: We're back on the record at 
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10:40 a.m. 
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BY MR. LUTTIER: 
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Q. 
Okay. We were talking before the break about 
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this fellow 
. And you said there were a 
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couple times when your daughter didn't come home on time 
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and apparently was out with him? 
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A. 
Yes, sir. 
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Q. 
Did there ever come a time that you learned 
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his age? 
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A. 
No. I don't think I -- I didn't know it at 
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that time. 
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Q. 
Did you ever ask her if it was --
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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3506.001 
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Yeah. 
Q. 
-- somebody her age? 
A. 
But I think I was told he was, like, 7 
maybe 16 or 17. 
Q. 
And your daughter would have been 14? 
A. 
Fifteen. She was, like, I believe she was, 
like, 14, going on 15. 
Q. 
And did you come -- come a time that you 
learned that wasn't true? 
A. 
Oh, many years later. 
Q. 
But she told you he was approximately the same 
age she was? 
A. 
Yeah. 
PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
08e1e8e8-101b-471743728-ef54d20436cf 
3506-001 
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PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
Electronically signed by Sandra Townsend (401 
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3506-001 
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