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conducted by the House Intelligence Committee would be happening if 
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QUOTE OF THE DAY: "My whole day has been like this," 
Sondland said at Dulles, after accidentally placing his 
carry-on bag into the wrong overhead bin on his flight 
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Ukraine: 
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Pete Buttigieg won the Democratic debate by 
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Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg chit-chat during a television break in the debate. (Toni L. Sandys/The 
Washington Post) 
BY 
HOHMANN 
with Mariana Altar° 
THE BIG IDEA: Amy Klobuchar questioned last week whether a woman with Pete 
Buttigieg's level of experience would be on a presidential debate stage. With the 
two Democratic candidates standing on such a stage last night in Atlanta, NBC's 
Mitchell tried to tee up fireworks between the senior senator from 
Minnesota and the mayor of South Bend, Ind. But Klobuchar took a pass. 
"Pete is qualified to be up on this stage, and I am honored to be standing next to him," 
she responded. "But what I said is true. Women are held to a higher standard. Otherwise 
we could play a game called name your favorite female president, which we can't do 
because it has all been men." 
Then Klobuchar delivered the most memorable line of the night. "If you think a woman 
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can't beat Donald Trump," she said, "Nancy Pelosi does it every single day." 
The crowd roared, and Buttigieg wasn't asked to respond. It was a great moment for 
Klobuchar, who has struggled to translate impressive debate performances into grass-
roots support, but her answer also spared a relatively untested candidate who has 
surged in the polls from what could have become a quite uncomfortable back-and-forth. 
Buttigieg, an openly gay white man, is seeking to become the standard-bearer of a 
diverse party whose most vocal activists have increasingly embraced identity politics. 
The 37-year-old prepared for a barrage of intense attacks that didn't materialize in 
the debate, which was hosted by The Washington Post and MSNBC. But now the 
presidential race will move to the backburner for the next few weeks as the national 
media, and many undecided Democratic voters, turn their focus back to the 
impeachment proceedings in Washington. The next debate doesn't take place until Dec. 
19 in Los Angeles. 
A similar dynamic played out with Kamala Harris. On Monday, she criticized 
Buttigieg for using a stock photo of a mother and child from Kenya to promote his 
proposal for helping black Americans. She called it a "big mistake" that suggested he's 
not ready to lead our polyglot republic. "I don't have words to describe that," Harris said. 
Another moderator, NBC's Kristen Welker, brought up the topic and tried to get Harris to 
say more. But the junior senator from California declined. She said Buttigieg has 
apologized for the error, essentially letting him off the hook, and quickly pivoted to talk 
about her own plans to help black women. 
And so it went. Buttigieg has been eating Joe Biden's lunch in Iowa, yet the former vice 
president chose not to come after him. Cory Booker, plainly jealous that Buttigieg has 
seized the mantle of generational change that he hoped to carry in 2020, noted at one 
point during the debate that he too was a Rhodes Scholar and previously served as a 
mayor of Newark before representing New Jersey in the Senate. In a subtle dig, Booker 
mentioned that he led "the largest city in my state." (South Bend is the fourth-most-
populous city in Indiana.) 
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Gabbard and Buttigieg spar over military strategy and foreign policy 
— The only candidate who decided to really go after Buttigieg in an aggressive 
way was Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, perhaps the most useful possible foil for 
Buttigieg who was onstage. She claimed that he wants to send U.S. troops to fight 
drug cartels in Mexico. "That is outlandish," Buttigieg replied. He accused her of taking 
him out of context. Then he attacked Gabbard for visiting Syrian dictator Bashar al-
Assad, which he cited as proof of her poor judgment. 
Earlier in the debate, after Gabbard criticized the Democratic Party for being overly 
interventionist, Harris ripped her for palling around with Assad and trekking to Trump 
Tower during the transition for a meeting with Steve Bannon amid speculation she might 
land a Cabinet appointment. "I think that it's unfortunate that we have someone on the 
stage ... who during the Obama administration spent four years full time on Fox News 
criticizing President Obama," Harris said. This laid the groundwork for Buttigieg's 
clapback more than an hour later. 
— The debate underscored just how fluid the race remains. No one dominated this 
debate, including Buttigieg. The clashes were less ideological than before and more 
focused on electability. Former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg and former 
Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick have taken steps to join the field because Biden 
has been a weaker candidate than they expected. The race has already been frozen in 
some important respects by the impeachment inquiry, making it harder for candidates to 
unveil new plans or to generate coverage for talking about anything other than President 
Trump's conduct toward Ukraine. 
A Des Moines Register poll released over the weekend showed Buttigieg capturing the 
support of 25 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers, followed by essentially a three-
way tie for second place between Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, who all 
drew 15 percent. None of the other candidates are in double digits. But most voters say 
they're not wedded to anyone. A more surprising Saint Anselm College poll released this 
week put Buttigieg up 10 points among likely Democratic voters in New Hampshire, as 
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well, with 25 percent to 15 percent for both Warren and Biden, albeit with a smaller 
sample size. 
Democrats tackle impeachment, Trump and more at fifth Democratic debate 
Every candidate has distinct incentives with 75 days to go until Iowa caucuses. 
Because the field is so scattered, Warren, Sanders and Biden seemed more 
focused on promoting themselves than attacking anyone else. The senior senator 
from Massachusetts was barely attacked last night, certainly compared to last month's 
debate, possibly because her rivals see her as wounded. Some wind has been coming 
out of her sails as she's struggled to detail how she'd pay for her Medicare-for-all plan 
without raising taxes on the middle class. 
Biden, celebrating his 77th birthday, struggled once again to deliver a decisive 
performance. One illustration of just how unsettled the race remains came when 
billionaire Tom Steyer accused Biden of not taking climate change seriously enough. 
The former vice president slammed Steyer for making millions off coal at a time when he 
was championing environmental legislation in the Senate. If Biden was more confident 
about his standing, he might have brushed off Steyer — a non-factor in this race — and 
merely touted his own record or plans for rejoining the Paris climate accord. 
— Even though Harris didn't attack him on Wednesday night, Buttigieg has failed 
thus far to make inroads with African Americans, a struggle that continues to cast 
a cloud over the long-term viability of his candidacy. Despite those polls in Iowa and 
New Hampshire, two of the whitest states in the country, Quinnipiac University's new 
South Carolina survey shows Buttigieg garnering less than one percent support among 
black voters — raising new questions about whether he can go the distance when the 
nominating contest moves to the South and, if he's the nominee, whether he'll be able to 
re-activate black voters who backed Barack Obama twice but stayed home when Hillary 
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Clinton was on the ballot in 2016. 
Buttigieg watched his words carefully, but he referred to being openly gay as he 
discussed racism. "While I do not have the experience of ever having been 
discriminated against because of the color of my skin, I do have the experience of 
sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country," he said. 
Last night, though, no one mentioned the police shooting in his city that dogged 
him during a previous debate. But Buttigieg touted his stewardship of South 
Bend. "I welcome the challenge of connecting with black voters in America who don't yet 
know me — and before I share what's in my plans, let me talk about what's in my heart 
and why this is so important," he said. "As mayor of a city that is racially diverse and 
largely low-income, for eight years, I have lived and breathed the successes and 
struggles of a community where far too many people live with the consequences of racial 
inequity that has built up over centuries but been compounded by policies and decisions 
from within living memory." 
'Black voters are pissed off': Watch the fiery exchange between Booker and Biden 
Booker went after Biden, not Buttigieg, on the black vote. Perhaps because Biden 
actually has black support. He criticized Biden's comments from the weekend about 
the dangers of legalizing marijuana as an example of how he doesn't understand the 
issues affecting people of color. "I thought you might've been high when you said it," 
Booker quipped. Biden said he wants to decriminalize marijuana. Biden then touted his 
support from the black community, but he mistakenly claimed that "the only black African 
American woman who had ever been elected to the United States Senate" supported 
him. "That's not true," Harris declared. Biden corrected himself to say that he meant "the 
first" black female senator supported him. 
The political journey of Pete Buttigieg 
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Buttigieg was pressed harder by the moderators than his rivals on his relative 
lack of governing experience. The mayor is wrapping up his second term as the chief 
executive of a city with just over 100,000 residents. Mitchell noted that Buttigieg was 
elected mayor with fewer than 11,000 votes, and he lost by 25 points when he ran for 
state treasurer. He also finished third in the race to chair the Democratic National 
Committee just last year. "Why," Mitchell wondered, "should Democrats take the risk of 
betting on you?" 
"Because I have the right experience to take on Donald Trump," he answered. "In order 
to defeat this president, we need somebody who can go toe-to-toe who actually comes 
from the kinds of communities that he's been appealing to." Buttigieg boasted that a 
recent Forbes magazine list showed he's "literally the least wealthy person on this 
stage." 
Buttigieg wants to position himself as the leading outsider candidate in the race, 
noting that his opponents onstage have served in Washington cumulatively for 
more than 100 years. The ongoing impeachment drama will give him an opportunity to 
sharpen this message, but that may resonate more in the context of a general election 
than a primary. Five of the 10 candidates onstage were senators who would be jurors in 
any impeachment trial. A sixth senator, 
Bennet of Colorado, didn't qualify for the 
debate but continues to essentially camp out in New Hampshire as he tries to make 
some magic happen. 
The conventional wisdom among the chattering classes — and across most of the 
campaigns - is that the trial could become a frustrating distraction that keeps the 
senators away from Iowa and New Hampshire on the eve of voting. Perhaps that might 
become a problem if the trial really drags on. But it's also possible that these races have 
become so nationalized — even in the early states — that all eyes would be on whatever's 
happening in the Senate. And the six senators could get a helpful platform to showcase 
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how they're standing up to Trump, which is undoubtedly helpful in the context of a 
primary. In that way, it feels like an impeachment trial could become very beneficial for 
lower-tier candidates like Harris and Booker who are struggling to catch a break. 
"I know that from the perspective of Washington what goes on in my city might 
look small, but frankly, where we live, the infighting on Capitol Hill is what looks 
small," Buttigieg said. "The usual way of doing business in Washington is what looks 
small. And I believe we need to send somebody in who has a different kind of 
experience." 
Fact-checking the November Democratic presidential debate I The Fact Checker 
— More team coverage: Glenn Kessler, Sal Rizzo and Meg Kelly fact-checked 10 
dubious statements made by the candidates during the debate. Matt Viser, Annie 
Linskey and Toluse Olorunnipa lead with the "squabble over black voters." 
Scherer's analysis looks at how beating Trump, rather than beating up on each other, 
was the focus of the debate. Our liveblog rounds up all the highlights. Read the full 
transcript here. 
-- What pundits are saying: The Fix's Aaron Blake picks Buttigieg and Klobuchar as 
the winners, and he writes that Biden and Gabbard were the losers. CNN says Buttigieg, 
Klobuchar, Harris and Andrew Yang won while Biden and Steyer lost. Vox calls the 
debate for Buttigieg, Warren and Booker. Their loser is Biden. USA Today reports that 
Klobuchar, Buttigieg and Harris won while "the lower tier" lost by failing to break 
through. Democratic strategist Mary Anne Marsh has a counter take on Fox News: 
Klobuchar is her "biggest winner" while Biden and Harris are "surprise winners." The 
Boston-based consultant thinks Gabbard, Buttigieg, Warren, Sanders, Booker, Steyer 
and Yang lost. 
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Hill: Ukraine 2016 election interference is 'false narrative' 
THE LATEST ON IMPEACHMENT: 
-- Fiona Hill, the former White House adviser on Russia, opened her testimony 
before the impeachment inquiry this morning with withering criticism of 
Republican attempts to sow doubt that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. 
presidential election. "Hill's testimony sets the stage for an extraordinary development 
in the impeachment hearings, with Trump's former top adviser on Russia essentially 
telling the public under oath that his refusal to accept the reality of Moscow's intervention 
in 2016 is wrong," Greg 
reports. 
"This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the 
Russian security services," Hill said in her opening statement. "Some of you on this 
committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a 
campaign against our country. ... The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign 
power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions. It is beyond dispute." 
Gordon Sondland's impeachment inquiry testimony, in 5 minutes 
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-- In the most damaging testimony yet for Trump, U.S. Ambassador to the E.U. 
Gordon Sondland said yesterday that there was a quid pro quo "with regard" to 
Ukraine. He explicitly linked the president, the vice president and other senior 
officials to what he described as a widely understood campaign to pressure a 
foreign government to investigate Joe Biden. Rachael Bade, Aaron C. Davis and 
Matt Zapotosky report: "More forcefully than he has before, Sondland declared that the 
Trump administration would not give Ukraine's newly elected president, Volodymyr 
Zelensky, a chance to visit the White House — unless Zelensky agreed to announce 
investigations that could help the president politically. 'I know that members of this 
committee frequently frame these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: 
Was there a 'quid pro quo'?' Sondland said. 'With regard to the requested White House 
call and the White House meeting, the answer is yes.' ... 
"Sondland acknowledged that he and others were the ones pushing Ukrainians to 
announce investigations, but asserted they had merely `followed the president's 
orders,' communicated through Trump's personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani. 
Sondland testified that top-level officials — including [Vice President] Pence, acting 
White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo — were 
made aware at various points of what was happening, and he provided emails to back 
up his assertions. 'Everyone,' Sondland testified, 'was in the loop.' ... 
"In his defense, Trump zeroed in on one favorable, but misleading, part of how 
Sondland described a September phone call between the two. Sondland at the time 
had just received a text message from the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, worried 
that the White House was conditioning nearly $400 million in aid on the country 
committing to the investigations targeting Democrats. Sondland later replied in a text 
message ... that the president wanted 'no quid pro quo's of any kind.' Sondland testified 
last month, and again on Wednesday, that the phrase came directly from Trump in a 
phone call before he sent the text. ... 'I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro 
quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing,' Sondland recalled Trump saying in the phone 
call. Trump carried with him handwritten notes of Sondland's words as he spoke to 
reporters outside the White House. ... Sondland testified Wednesday that he wished 
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he'd typed the text differently back in September, using quotation marks to make clear 
the no quid pro quo phrase had come from Trump. It was 'not artfully written,' he said. ... 
"Sondland said that he, Energy Secretary Rick Perry and Kurt Volker, at the time a 
special envoy to Ukraine, worked with Giuliani in pressing Ukraine 'at the express 
direction of the president of the United States' — even though they were reluctant 
to do so. At least initially, though, Sondland said he did not believe he was engaging in 
anything 'improper' — in part because he claimed he did not understand that Trump 
wanted an investigation of Biden. Other witnesses have disputed that account. ... 
Sondland said Giuliani seemed more focused on getting Ukraine to publicly reveal the 
investigations, rather than actually carry them out, though he conceded official 
announcements would hold foreign officials to their word. ... Sondland revealed an email 
showing that he asked Pompeo to help him orchestrate a face-to-face encounter 
between Trump and Zelensky, off to the side of a World War II commemoration 
ceremony that the two were scheduled to attend in Poland on Sept. 1. ... Days later, 
Trump decided not to travel to Warsaw ... Pence made the trip in place of Trump. 
Sondland claimed he informed the vice president before the meeting 'that I had concerns 
that the delay in aid had become tied to the issue of investigations.- (Pence's chief of 
staff denies that this happened.) 
Sondland's testimony left Trump's Republican allies scrambling. Seung Min Kim, 
Josh Dawsey and Kayla Epstein report: "As he traveled on Air Force One to Texas, 
Trump called members of the House to argue that the testimony was good for him, 
according to an aide ... Trump also professed to reporters that he had little 
familiarity with Sondland, a major donor to his inauguration who testified that he 
had spoken with the president about 20 times. ... On Sondland, key Republican 
allies sought to undermine the ambassador's credibility, while insisting that the basic 
facts had not changed as to whether Trump had committed an impeachable offense by 
pressuring Ukraine to investigate [the Bidens]. 'I say that he's changed his story several 
times and one needs to be suspicious of that. But having said that, take what he says, 
compare it to the facts,' Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Wednesday of Sondland. 
'I just know this: That [Ukraine] got the money, and Hunter Biden and Joe Biden weren't 
investigated. That's what I do know.' ... 'Mike Turner's ability to get Ambassador 
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Sondland to say that he had not heard from anyone in the administration that would 
suggest that aid was tied to any investigations was really powerful and compelling,' said 
Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), one of Trump's most ardent defenders in the House. ... 
"The White House sent 14 different sections of talking points to congressional 
Republicans, coming in at more than 3,300 words ... Included was a list of 10 times 
Sondland said he believed or presumed information to be true but could not prove 
it. ... Other Trump allies sought to argue that, even if there was a quid pro quo as 
Sondland had testified, there were other factors to consider. `I don't think the quid pro 
quo is the issue. If you're talking about an illegal quid pro quo, there are legal and 
illegal quid pro quos,' said Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.). 'And an illegal quid 
pro would be based on a president's intent.' ... White House aides said Sondland 
was the most damaging witness so far because he actually had interactions with Trump 
and described key issues in nefarious terms." 
How Gordon Sondland undercut Trump's defenses 
Sondland appeared to embrace his role in history with nonchalance. Aaron C. 
Davis, Rachael Bade and Josh Dawsey report: "As Sondland warmed up, sometimes 
smirking, joking and announcing casually that, yes, there had been a quid pro quo, it 
soon wasn't clear what gravity he saw in the moment. ... There was no somber rhetoric, 
no cancer on the presidency in his eyes — but rather a businessman for a president who 
had a transactional issue to solve: Trump wanted certain things from Ukraine, and vice 
versa. 'Look,' Sondland said, 'we tried to fix the problem.' ... At some points, he even 
appeared to be having a good time. Asked about a phone call in which he was 
overheard giving Trump an encouraging report about the pressure campaign, Sondland 
seemed amused when read back an account of having told Trump that the president of 
Ukraine 'loves your ass.' Sounds like something I would say,' Sondland quipped. 
'That's how President Trump and I communicate, a lot of four-letter words.' 
Republicans took turns reading statements issued by [Perry] and Pence challenging 
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Sondland's testimony in near-real time. The ambassador sat still, smiling slightly, 
seemingly unfazed. At one point earlier this fall, Trump had praised Sondland as 'a great 
American.' On Wednesday, a lawmaker read Sondland the latest presidential comment: 
'This is not a man I know well.' Sondland seemed unperturbed, saying with a 
chuckle, 'Easy come, easy go.'" 
-- By providing the committee with emails showing top administration officials 
were personally aware of or directly involved in the alleged quid pro quo, 
Sondland validated many Democratic suspicions. He also highlighted how much 
evidence has not been turned over, which gives Democrats usable evidence to 
substantiate a likely article of impeachment based on obstruction. Karoun 
Demirjian reports: "'Based on a sample of the documents attached to Ambassador 
Sondland's statement ... we can see why Pompeo and [Trump] have made such a 
concerted and across-the-board effort to obstruct this investigation,' Intelligence 
Committee Chairman 
B. Schiff (D-Calif.) said at Wednesday's hearing. 'They do 
so at their own peril: I remind the president that Article III of the impeachment articles 
drafted against President Nixon was his refusal to obey the subpoenas of Congress.' ... 
"Sondland's revelations implicated senior members of the Trump administration, and he 
made clear there are emails, phone records and documents that could have a bearing 
on the House impeachment investigation. But it is not clear whether House 
Democrats will run down all the new leads, as doing so would likely require them 
to issue new subpoenas and double down on existing ones in the courts. 
Democrats have repeatedly expressed a reluctance to get bogged down in legal 
proceedings, and leaders are committed to not losing the momentum of the public 
impeachment hearings, which are on course to feature a dozen witnesses in less than 
two weeks. Senior Democrats have indicated that the House is on track to vote on 
impeachment next month. Yet several members have acknowledged that there 
could be value in securing the testimony of holdouts like Pompeo and [Bolton], 
neither of whom have yet been subpoenaed for testimony." 
Sondland's dramatic testimony undercut the president's version of 
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events, writes chief correspondent Dan Balz: "He arrived for Wednesday's hearing 
facing an obvious dilemma, which was to risk a charge of lying to Congress by 
significantly disputing testimony that had taken place after his prior statements, or openly 
disputing the president's version of events and thereby risking the wrath of the 
president's allies as well as many with whom he serves in the administration. He chose 
to take on the president." 
— Trump told Sondland there was "no quid pro quo" on Sept. 9. That's the same 
day the whistleblower complaint was filed, after several White House 
staffers expressed alarm to the National Security Council's top lawyer, after the CIA 
general counsel was alerted to concerns by an employee of the agency and after 
multiple lawmakers, including Republican senators, inquired about why the aid was 
being held up. 
Sondland said he could not rule out the possibility that Trump emphatically said 
there was "no quid pro quo" only because the president had already learned 
about the complaint. "He was in a very bad mood," Sondland said during his closed-
door deposition last month. "It was a very quick conversation." 
— If Sondland was an agent of Trump's alleged plot, he portrayed himself as a 
reluctant one, writes the New Yorker's Susan Glasser: "By 10:15 a.m., when Sondland 
finished reading out his twenty-three-page opening statement, it was all over but the 
shouting, of which there would be much over the next seven hours. But that was later. 
For nearly forty-five minutes, the impeachment hearings were compelling enough to 
bring the relentless Washington news cycle to a halt, at least temporarily. There was no 
hate-tweeting from the Oval Office, no spin in the corridors of Capitol Hill. Just people 
listening, watching, wondering what it would mean." 
Cooper: Ukraine asked about security aid same day as Trump-Zelensky call 
Cooper, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia and Ukraine, 
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amended her testimony last night. She says her staff alerted her after her first 
deposition that they received an inquiry from the Ukrainian embassy about the 
status of the military aid frozen by Trump on July 25, just hours after the 
president's call with Zelensky. "The new timeline Cooper laid out threatens one of the 
GOP's main defenses of Trump — that the Ukranians were not aware of the hold on 
security aid at the time of the call between the heads of state, and that they found 
nothing alarming in the presidents' discussion," Felicia Sonmez, John Wagner and Colby 
ltkowitz report. The White House challenged Cooper's timeline, arguing that just 
because the Ukrainians asked does not mean they knew that Trump had frozen the 
money. 
Lawmakers also heard last night from 
Hale, the undersecretary of state for 
political affairs. Hale, the third-highest-ranking official at the State Department, shed 
more light on the dismissal of Marie Yovanovitch as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine: "'I 
believe she should have been able to stay at the post and continue to do the 
outstanding work,' Hale testified about Yovanovitch. Asked by Rep. Denny Heck 
(D-Wash.) whether `what happened to her was wrong,' Hale responded, `That's 
right.— Hale, who was called to testify by Republicans, also said he believed it would be 
unusual to withhold military aid to pressure a country to investigate a political opponent: " 
— The timeline has remained somewhat murky. Philip Bump sketched out what we 
know so far about it. 
—The Fix prepared a list of things that Trump, Pence, Pompeo and other senior 
officials knew, based on Sondland's testimony, texts and emails. 
-- The FBI is seeking an interview with the whistleblower, who works for the CIA. 
Ellen Nakashima and Devlin Barrett report: "A special agent with the bureau's 
Washington Field Office contacted one of the whistleblower's lawyers last month, and 
the FBI and the legal team have traded messages since ... No date for an interview has 
been set, and it is not clear whether one will be ... The FBI is interested in the 
'substance' of the whistleblower's complaint, said one person familiar with the matter. ... 
The bureau does not appear to be pursuing a leak investigation ... It is unclear precisely 
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