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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR
Federal Grand Jury, 07-103
West Palm Beach, Florida
February 27, 2007
APPEARANCES:
, ESQUIRE
Assistant United States Attorney
Foreperson
TESTIMONY
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4 State of Florida, on the 27th day of February, 2007.
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
IN RE: OPERATION LEAP YEAR
Federal Grand Jury, 07-103
West Palm Beach, Florida
February 27, 2007
APPEARANCES:
, ESQUIRE
Assistant United States Attorney
Foreperson
TESTIMONY
OF
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ORIGINAL
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1 (The witness entered the grand jury room.)
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3 having been duly sworn by the grand jury foreperson,
4 was examined and testified on her oath as follows:
5 EXAMINATION
6 By
7 Q Good morning, special agent Could
8 you restate and spell your name for the record.
9 A It'S
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11 Q Can you remind the grand jury who you are
12 employed by?
13 A The FBI.
14 Q I know that you testified here a few weeks ago.
15 Was there anything from that testimony that you wanted to
16 correct?
17 A I did. I was asked by one of you Mr. Epstein's
18 age, and I confused him with another individual in another
19 one of my cases. His birthdate is January 20, 1953. We
20 are looking at the time period of 2004 and 2005. So
21 Mr. Epstein would have been about 51 or 52-years-old, and
22 I believe I told you he was 45. So at the time we're
23 looking during this investigation, he is 51 or 52.
24 Q Agent how did this case first come
25 to the attention of the police?
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1 A In March of 2005, our youngest
2 identified victim -- her called the Palm Beach
3 police department and reported that she believed that her
4 stepdaughter had been molested by a male that resided in
5 the town of Palm Beach.
6 So today we are going to talk about IP
7 A Yes.
8 And we are using her initial to protect her
9 identity, correct?
10 A Yes.
11 Q Can you tell the grand jury III date of
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12 birth?
13 A birthday is
14 Q And you mentioned that the call came in from
15 in March of 2005, correct?
16 A Yes.
17 Q So how old was at that time?
18 A She was 14.
19 Q Where does live?
20 A lives in the
21 area here in Palm Beach County.
22 Q At the time, in 2005, what school was she
23 attending?
24 A
25 Q What year was she in school?
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1 A She was a ninth-grader there.
2 Q You mentioned that her called the
3 Palm Beach police department. What did the police
4 department do in response to that call?
5 A They wanted to interview . I believe it was
6 the next day they went out to where was attending
7 school at that time, which I think was . They
a interviewed at and wanted to get her side
9 of what took place.
10 Q Because we'll be referring to this throughout,
1.1 what was the name of the detective who conducted that
12 first interview?
13 A Detective=
14 So in March of 2005, detective talked with
15 . Was ever interviewed at any other times?
16 A Yes. She was interviewed -- they talked to her
17 again. She placed some controlled calls for them later
18 that month, we will talk about that later. As well as
19 she was interviewed about a year later in July of 2006.
20 Not interviewed, but she testified before the grand jury
21 for the State of Florida. So she was interviewed by
22 detective in March of 2005, and then about a year or
23 three or four months later, in July of 2006, she testified
24 before a grand jury with the State of Florida.
25 Q In preparation for your appearance today, did
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1 you have a chance to interview ?
2 A Yes, I did.
3 Q And when was that?
4 A Last night.
s Q Back in March of 2005, you mentioned that
6 detective met with on or more than one
7 occasion?
8 A Yes.
9 Q If you could give us sort of an overview of what
10 reported during these interviews, and then if there
11 are specific discrepancies or differences, we will return
12 to those later.
13 A All right. On February 5, 2005, it was a
14 Saturday, and I. was at house, I. She
15 was there with her boyfriend, I. And because these
16 are minors, we'll refer to them without using their last
17 names, so I'll use those initials.
18 They were at residence, and I. is
19 boyfriend, which is also cousin. So they
20 were all at house, and was on the phone with
21 an individual that refers to as the assistant.
22 described the assistant as a tall blonde.
23 So throughout I'll refer to her as the blonde lady, if
24 that's okay. was unable to recall her name. So
25 is on the phone with the assistant for Jeffrey
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1 Epstein.
2 and overhear on the phone
3 describing describing to the lady on
4 the phone. So when gets off the phone, and
5 both want to know why was being described to
6 this lady on the phone. becomes upset when
7 asks if she would like to go to Palm Beach and give a
8 man a massage that she knows. agrees, and this
9 upsets , and an argument ensues where and
10 go into the bathroom and they argue outside the presence
11 of
12 Q Let me stop you there. Was supposed to be
13 paid for giving this massage?
14 A Yes. told that she would be paid
15 $200 or $300, I believe.
16 You mentioned that is , and
17 is also correct?
18 A Yes.
19 Q What was idea about why they were
20 arguing?
21 A She has told us that she believed that must
22 have known what was doing for this man and the work
23 that did for Mr. Epstein, and that is why was
24 so upset.
25 0 So knew that this wasn't just a regular
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massage that was going to take place?
A Yes.
Q So and have this argument. What does
decide to do?
A decides to go.
Q Because she wanted to make the $200 or $300?
A Yes.
Q So tell us then what happened after that
meeting?
10 A The next day, February 6 -- they discussed that
11 evening about going the next day. We do have on
12 phone records two calls that were placed. One was placed
13 to cell phone, and the other was placed to
14 Jeffrey Epstein's residence the night of February 5.
15 The next day is contacted a couple of times
16 before arrives. Each time prior to being
17 contacted by a call is placed by to
18 cell phone. , I should tell you, is
19 Jeffrey's assistant.
20 So on Sunday a call was placed to
21 and then shortly after that a call was made to . That
22 same series occurs again, but this time places a
23 call to Mr. Epstein's residence, and then is called
24 again.
25 Eventually, comes to residence with
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1 another girl in the car, So the two of them
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2 arrive at residence, and they continue over to
3 Mr. Epstein's house.
4 Q is driving with and . Do you
5 know how they were sitting?
6 A You know, I'm not sure how they were sitting,
7 but I know that it was a pickup truck that drove,
8 and was the driver. I'm not sure exactly the
9 placement of the other two girls, but they were in the
10 truck.
11 Q And was able to describe how they travelled
12 to the island of Palm Beach?
13 A Yes. She gave directions -- you know, the best
14 that she could on how she was able to come to
15 Mr. Epstein's residence.
16 Q Once they arrived at the residence, what
17 happened?
18 A I should have mentioned that either the night
19 before or the day of, there were some things that
20 tells . One, she tells that she is to tell, if
21 asked, that she is 18-years-of-age, that she attends high
22 school, that she's in the 12th grade, and I believe it was
23 that she was to say that she went
24 to.
25 Talking to ■ last night, told us that
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1 once she arrived at the residence tells her that she
2 may possibly be asked to take her clothes off. She also
3 tells her that she can stay in her bra, but she may be
4 asked to take her clothes off. And told us last
5 night that that's when she knew for the first time that
6 she might have to possibly remove her clothes.
7 At this point they proceed to enter the
8 residence. describes him as a security person. He
9 approached and asked what they were doing there, and
10 said they were there to see Mr. Epstein, or see Jeffrey.
11 He allowed them entry into the kitchen area by the pool,
12 and describes that area. So now and
13 are all sitting in the kitchen. A short time goes
14 by and Mr. Epstein, as well as the assistant, enter the
15 kitchen.
16 Q And I know that you mentioned that did not
17 know the name of the lady who was there in the kitchen,
18 correct?
19 A Right.
20 Q She just described her as a blonde, tall lady?
21 A Yes.
22 Q Was also interviewed about what happened
23 that day?
24 A She was interviewed by the Palm Beach police
25 department.
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1 Q Did IM identify the person who was on the
2 phone with her as IIIII
3 A Yes, she did.
So even though IIII doesn't know her name, IIIII
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knew name?
6 A Yes.
7 Q So you mentioned that the three girls are in the
8 kitchen, along with Jeffrey and the person calls the
9 blonde lady?
10 A Yes.
11 Q What happened then?
12 A follows the blonde lady upstairs to
13 Mr. Epstein's bedroom. The blonde lady proceeds to take
la out a massage table and set it up, prepare it. She also
15 takes out some lotions to be used during the massage.
16 told me last night that the blonde lady asked her to
17 remove her clothing, and then left the room and said that
18 Mr. Epstein would be in shortly.
19 Q What happened after she left the room?
20 A Shortly after that, Mr. Epstein does come into
21 the room and shakes hand. told us last night
22 that Mr. Epstein told her to remove her clothing. He
23 leaves the room and comes back in just a towel, and he
24 tells her again to -- she is at that point -- when he
25 walked in the first time she had on her bra and her pants.
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When he comes back in, he tells her that she needs to take
2 her pants off. So she took her pants off. So now she's
3 in her bra and underwear.
4 Q At some point did tell any of the people
who interviewed her what was running through her mind?
6 A She stated at one point that she was upstairs
7 with him, with the man, and that was downstairs. I
8 guess she says, "What could do? She's downstairs,
9 I'm upstairs." So she did what she was asked to do.
10 Q So now you mention that Mr. Epstein is here
11 wearing just a towel, and has removed both her shirt
12 and her pants, is that correct?
13 A Yes.
14 Q Tell us what happens then?
15 A Mr. Epstein gets on the massage table lying on
16 his stomach and instructs how to do the massage. He
17 tells her to put some lotion on her hand and instructs her
18 on how to actually perform the massage. At one point
19 during the massage he tells that she would be more
20 comfortable to get on top of him, so gets on top of
21 him and straddles Mr. Epstein's back.
22 The way describes it is Mr. Epstein is
23 laying on the table, he has a towel covering his bottom,
24 and she is straddling him with her bottom touching the
25 towel and some skin touching his lower back. She was kind
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1 of sitting -- it sounds like sitting on his rear end, but
2 with part of her skin touching him -- the front of him,
3 but he had a towel across his bottom.
4 Q What happens as she is providing the massage to
5 his back?
6 A The massage goes on. She said the entire
7 massage lasted anywhere from 30 to 45 minutes. At one
8 point Mr. Epstein excuses himself for a few minutes, one
9 or two minutes briefly. states that she can hear
10 Mr. Epstein , and states that she
11 believes he was, in her words,
12 . She didn't say she said
13 I am going to use that she believes he was
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15 Then he returns. At this point he gets back on
16 the table lying on his back and asks her to start
17 massaging his chest. So she begins to massage his chest.
18 Q Does he keep the towel on?
19 A No, at this point the towel is removed. when he
20 comes back and he gets back on the table, the towel is
21 removed and she is massaging his chest.
22 Q What does he do as she is massaging his chest?
23 A He . So he
24 on the table. He asked , at
25 some point during this time, if she would like to make an
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1 extra $100. He tells her that it would not involve doing
2 a massage. IM agrees. He asked her if he could
3 and she does agree. describes it as
o a and she
5 said this goes on for about ten minutes.
6 At some point during that massage
8 describes hinIMMM
9 Q What did she say happened when Mr. Epstein
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11 A The . At some point he does
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13 looks at him kind of funny, and he sarcastically -- which
14 is her word -- he sarcastically says, 'What's the matter?"
15 And she at that point just kind of looks away, and he
16 continues on with . In the last
17 three to four minutes of that, he
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19 At the conclusion of the sexual activity,
20 Mr. Epstein was
21 asked if She
22 but saw him
23 Q Was able to provide a physical description
24 of Mr. Epstein?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Including of ?
2 A Yes.
3 Q Was she also able to provide a description of
4 her surroundings in that massage area?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Was that description accurate?
7 A Yes. According to other testimony we have
8 gotten from other victims, yes.
9 Q And a search was performed on Mr. Epstein's
10 house?
11 A Yes. The Palm Beach police department did
12 perform a search, and several of the items that were
13 described were found in the house.
14 Q After Mr. Epstein what
15 happened?
16 A He told that she was getting the extra
17 hundred dollars because he was allowed
18 . The massage had been
19 concluded, the sexual activity had been concluded. He
20 gets up and leaves for a brief moment of time and comes
21 back with $300 and pays the $300. I believe he told
22 that she could see herself out.
23 Q Before we leave that room, when was either
24 being directed to the room or was inside that room where
25 the massage took place, was there anything in particular
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1 that she noted seeing?
2 A She noted seeing several naked pictures of girls
3 in the room, a mural or pictures of naked girls either
4 exposing their breasts or completely naked.
5 Q While the massage was going on, did Mr. Epstein
6 talk to
7 A Yes, he did.
8 Q And did he talk about sexual conquests with
9 girls?
10 A Yes, he did.
11 Q Once Mr. Epstein has provided with the
12 $300, what did she do?
13 A She went back downstairs and she, and
14 leave the residence. In the car they ask how
15 much money she has made, and she tells them $300.
16 wants to see the money. She shows the money to , and
17 asks what did she do. At that point tells her
18 that he
19 Q When they left the house, where did they go?
20 A When they left the house, they were on their way
21 to a mall to go shopping with the money that they had
22 received from Mr. Epstein. had told the night
23 before that she needed some shoes and wanted to go to the
24 mall, and she was going to Mr. Epstein's to pick up some
25 money. That was another reason that she had for going to
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1 Mr. Epstein's house that day, and that they were going to
2 go shopping after she got her money, and that MI could
3 make some money.
4 Q During that ride, did realize that ME
5 received money from Mr. Epstein?
6 A Yes. At some point knows that
7 received $200, but is unsure that ever gave a
8 massage. So at that particular time did not know why
9 she had gotten the S200, because she didn't think that
3.0 had had time to give a massage.
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interview, did she explain what:she
12 got the $200 for?
13 A told the Palm Beach police department in
14 her interview that she received her $200 for bringing
15 to the house.
16 Q You mentioned that there were these three
17 different time periods that was interviewed: Shortly
18 after the events, at the time of the state grand jury
19 proceedings, and when you met with her, correct?
20 A Yes.
21 Q And there were some discrepancies between the
22 different interviews. Can you explain some of those to
23 the grand jury.
24 A Before we go and get to that, I want to make
25 sure that -- when we discussed what was told in the
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1 car byllill, that we learned from ME interview with
2 the Palm Beach police department. So I don't know if I
3 said that, but I want to make sure you know that we first
4 learned that= by listening to the
interview that was conducted between the Palm Beach police
6 department andillill, not fromilill. When I talk later, I
just want to make sure you realize that that had not
8 initially come out in interview, but through the
9 interview with
10 So going back. I'm sorry, discrepancies?
11 Q Yes.
12 A I met with last night to discuss some of
13 the discrepancies when looking at what she had talked to
14 detective about in March of 2005 and what she had
15 testified to in the grand jury in July of 2006. Reading
16 the testimony and listening to the tapes, or reading the.
17 transcript, there were a few discrepancies.
18 One of the first ones we talked about was what
19 had told her about going to Mr. Epstein's house.
20 She tells detective that she was told about the
21 massage, told about getting $200, but that she was not
22 told that she would have to take her clothes off. She
23 didn't know she would have to perform the massage naked.
24 when I asked her last night that question, she
25 told me that when she got to the house prior to going into
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1 Mr. Epstein's residence, that I= did tell her that she
2 may be asked to take off her clothes. She also did state
3 that told her she could stay in her bra.
4 So I wanted you to know that there was a
5 discrepancy in what she originally had told detective
MI
6 and what she told me last night. That would be one.
7 The second discrepancy i wanted to touch on with
8 her was going upstairs and taking off her clothing. When
9 she is in that room, she states to detective that
10 asked her to remove her clothing, and she took off
11 her shirt. Then Mr. Epstein came in the room, shook her
12 hand and told her to take off her clothes. He leaves, he
13 comes back in a towel. He tells her again. tells
14 detective in a stern voice, 'Mr. Epstein told me to
15 take off my pants." Because she hadn't taken off her
16 pants from the first time that she met him.
17 In her testimony with the grand jury with the
18 state, she tells the grand jury that it was who
19 asked her to remove her clothing. So last night we went
20 over with her who told her to remove what. She had a very
21 hard time recalling exactly. She knew she had gotten down
22 to her bra and underwear. And then at some point, when
23 we're going through the sexual activity, she actually
24 tells me that her underwear was off when he was
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